Player Features and Ideas Discussion

we could add learning skills and expensive clone upgrades....

One of the biggest attractions about Eve is that it has consequences. Harsh ones. Also, "fitted mods to the insurance payout" is just an invitation for exploitation.



This is the part where you show that you don't understand inflation in the slightest or know what an ISK faucet is...

The game needs faucets, or otherwise there would be less and less ISK to be moved around. There is also one sink that CCP can NEVER take away. If someone quits playing EvE, then their ISK leaves the board.

The problem is balancing the amount of ISK from both faucets and sinks. Sometimes a new fixture is needed, or one needs to be taken away; sometimes a faucet or sink needs to be opened wider. and sometimes they need to be squeezed tighter. All of these things need to be kept in mind as well as not taxing the individual overly much. Providing the idividual too much ISK (from faucets) is less bad, but can still be harmful. People will still get rich and be poor, but mostly through the movement of ISK.

As for BPC's replacing modules, that smacks of trying to move EvE towards a full barter economy. That's a no-go from me. One of EvE's strongest pulls is its robust and mostly player run economy. Removing money will make the system rather less robust. Money is easier to carry -- it takes no cargo hold, can't really be taken from the player by another player (without the owning player's agreement), fluctuates in value at a much lesser degree than the vast majority of comodities, and is always useful. Try playing the game without using ISK for a week or so and getting what you want. Some can; however, some people also live on barely self-sustaining farms IRL. Neither of these peoples are the movers and shakers of the economy. They are the ones not participating in it.

--Gadget

I think the dude missed that ratting already got hit with:
ESS changes: -5% to bounty (unless you use it and get -20% to bounty from every roaming fleet around. Not everyone rats in the blue donut).
Reprocessing changes: -50% loot value.
And pretty much none of the ratting ships were oh-so-buffed. Unlike suicide ganking ships and roaming ships, those received tons of love.

You want more ISK sinks, buff the grief dec cost, that'll do.

By buffing market taxes you just shift people to use other trading tools. There are plenty, like mailing lists, contract spamming, and emerging API-powered asset management projects. I assure you that the eve market is already at the limit with current tax level, already useless and often avoided on mass purchases. Traders are not stupid, so the buyers are paying the tax for them anyway, it's in the price, increase that - you hit the small guy, big guys will go contracting and player trading with tools, that won't do any good. What's next? Nerf player trades and contracts, so people would start passing stuff to each other by jettisoning it in space? And then tax the looting? No.

That said (aside from grief dec cost buff) I don't have any good ideas myself atm (f*k modays), but I'll get to any you propose.

-5% bounty is not much , and most of the ratters do rate in blue donut , so they get a bit more.
Reprocessing change , sorry this have nothing to do with isk.
When you reprocess stuff you don't get additional isk, just minerals.
You have to difference assets and isk.

Look at this this way.

You killed 100 bs rats, and you got 100mil isk from bounty and 100mil worth materials from reprocessing , and salvage.

From those minerals you build yourself 3 battlecruisers, using those 100mil you bought fits.
Day later you loose those ships in the fight.

What happened to initial assets :
1. Minerals and salvage
They where removed from the system , the moment those ship died.
You or someone else can "recover" some of the salvage by salvaging those 3 wrecks, but this will be minimal amount of goods.
2.ISK from bounty.
Isk was spent on fits, and ammunition, it was not destroyed with those ships, it just changed hands.
What more , loosing those ships generated isk from insurance , so you got around 40-50mil to your wallet.

Summarizing :
From 100mil isk introduced into the system, and 100mil worth of minerals we got to the point that we have 140-150mil isk in the system and 0 isk in goods.

Insurance is important for new players.
Goal is to create new way to pull this isk from the system in a some way - and not only assume that the best way to remove isk from game is to wait for someone to abandon his accounts.

how about charging people 10m isk to post bad ideas on the forums?

When i started to play eve fitted Battleship was around 70mil , full fit and rigs included.
Now the same battleship cost around 250mil.

Yes there was changes to industry , extra materials etc , but when you take this into account cost change should be around 10-15%.

Yes im aware that drone regions where nerfed and most of minerals came from them, reprocessing changed ... still.
Prices are constantly increasing , and the only way for something to get really cheaper is making some stuff worthless by some CCP re balance.

Every month you cannot buy the same stuff for 1b you managed in previous month.
To what this will lead :
Check this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

Btw.
I have some stamps from this period.
0.10 base value and new value in black stamp on top of it.
Guess the new value ....... 4.000.000

Something like here :
http://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=200807307920.stamp_nook_hyperinflation

Yes this is a game, game that wants to be REAL .

Still curious as to why it is a problem.

A PWNAGE dropped today nets newbro ~200k

Let's say there is hyperinflation and they sell for 2 BILLION isk. Newbro loots.....wait for it....an item he can flip for 2B isk.

So who cares? It remains relative, in the main.

Except for, you know....the items that don't drop....like...PLEX.....which takes me back to my first post.

So I repeat.....who cares?

What is the problem and what does it matter? People have to loot more? Good, creates more opportunities for player interaction, better lifestyle for ninjas. More "loss" immediately warping out the minute someone hits local.

Why leave? Because you need to pay to play the game?

Good. F2P is a ******* scourge on the face of real gaming and needs to be exterminated with extreme prejudice.


Or is it because stopping to loot is "hard"?