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Nelthaerius
Dead and Delirious
BBQ BOIS
#21 - 2014-11-20 21:32:40 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Oh dear. Yet another ill informed OP on the Plex.

Let's hope for a lock.

More people buying then selling Plex...remind me again how if people cant afford to buy a plex to sell on market instead of farming how will they want to spend the same on money subscriptions?
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-11-21 10:29:59 UTC
No F2P in my Eve thanks.

This is a bad idea.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#23 - 2014-11-21 10:36:01 UTC
Nelthaerius wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Oh dear. Yet another ill informed OP on the Plex.

Let's hope for a lock.

More people buying then selling Plex...remind me again how if people cant afford to buy a plex to sell on market instead of farming how will they want to spend the same on money subscriptions?
Wat?

Let me make you understand something you seem to have missed. CCP get money when people either convert a GTC/ETC to a plex, or buy a plex direct with RL cash. Either way CCP get RL monies.

Your idea = no RL monies.

Get it?

The reason the price is at the current hight, is due to supply and demand. Either play and pay with plex, or pay less with a years sub. I care not. But your idea is bad and as Komi Toran said, you should feel bad.

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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-11-21 12:29:07 UTC
Nelthaerius wrote:
I know this is a crazy and over talked about topic right now about the controversy over the rising PLEX prices and what to do about them and why they are going up. I don't want to say I found the solution because this game is a crazy sandbox, however here is my thoughts.

Factional P.L.E.X
Amarr P.L.E.X
Gallente P.L.E.X
Caldari P.L.E.X
Minmitar P.L.E.X

These time cards can be purchased by the typical fashion of LP+Isk and have the ability to be sold on market and on contracts. These can be sold off the current value of LP's and ultimately could be the same relative cost as say a Megathron Navy Issue with the LP+Isk cost. These can only be purchased in game, no real money.
What Happens to Regular P.L.E.X?
Obviously there will still be a great need for regular P.L.E.X's since not all players farm Loyalty Points or can buy with real money to sell for Isk like regular plex. And there will still be a need for PLEX for character transfers, AUR, Re-sculptures etc etc.

Faction Warfare
This will ultimately affect Faction Warfare because the more people can farm, the less it costs to stay subbed. If Gallente lose too much space, Gallente pilots will want a larger turnout to keep their subscription costs down, generating PvP content. So now you really do have FACTIONAL wars because Amarr pilots who either have to choose between helping Amarr out to allow for lower subscription prices (With the Faction Plex) or paying the regular PLEX costs.

But I'm Minmatar and in Gallente Faction Warfare, this is unfair!
Not really, since the average cost of plex should be constant with the highest Faction Plex. CCP should also consider allowing a limited time Faction change, all your skills stay the same, but you just change from Minmatar-Gallente etc etc. This can be done by your next clone you will be awoken as X Faction. After the free time it should cost 2 Normal Plex's to Faction change. Thus still keeping another necessity for regular Plexs.

Incursions Runners
Incursion runners can trade in the concord LP for the Faction PLEX they will need, so no real need of worry for Incursion runners, just gives them the ability to also save up for their own game time without the need to do Faction Warfare or Missions

Mission Runners
You should be fine, if you don't want to change mission hubs then just sell your current LP on the market for the isk to buy the one you need.

Downsides?
There will be a war of market between regular PLEX costs and the Faction with the most expensive Faction PLEX. Not a bad thing.

Tl:Dr?
Allows for more content and basis behind Factional Warfare.
Market Competition will lower Isk Based Subscription
Could be a huge content creator
Less time needed to farm to keep subscription, allowing for more time for leisure and pvp? If 80% of your time in game is farming to keep your subscription for your x amount of alts, if we can lower Factional Plexs down to the 450m-550m this will decrease farm time needed and possibly allow for an increase in PvP content?


P.L.E.X Items are bought with real cash not ingame cash so your idea is stuip. Plex prices are so high because there are so much people who play the game, so they can affort the plex to play the game. Pay your account, or play longer,.

-1 for the idea
-1 for not thinking about the idea
-1 for the crying that plex prices are to high (just don´t buy it it´s market economy ask/bid)

A big NO from my side
Anthar Thebess
#25 - 2014-11-21 13:10:22 UTC
Each plex is bought by someone , and generates $ for CCP.
I think even when CCP gives plexes during some contests they are not just created but come from banned accounts.

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Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#26 - 2014-11-21 13:18:20 UTC
Your problem: too expensive PLEX.

What you think you want: LP for PLEX

What you actually need: More ISK sinks to counteract the inflation that drives the PLEX market.

It's not the PLEX that has been increasing in value, it's the ISK that has been dropping in value.

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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-11-21 13:30:42 UTC
Absolutely ridiculous idea by someone who has no idea about how RL businesses are run, has not considered the possibility that CCP won't run the game if nobody is paying RL money for it and additionally, doesn't have the first clue about FW and the problem of farmers.

However, as I'm sitting on 9.3M Minmatar Militia LP: +1
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#28 - 2014-11-21 13:34:30 UTC
Nelthaerius wrote:
Yes but since it will cost a set standard price of X isk and X LP, market manipulation will be highly unlikely. PLEX is a monopoly right now. Few people can control the market, and most people need it. CCP can't intervene too much, however this would almost but not necessarily put a cap on price through the content of eve.

Most people don't need PLEX. They sub. The play to pay thing is weird since just about any job in the world, including begging in mexico city will pay better per hour. And turning real money into subscription or plex is also easy with soo many options outside credit cards.

So tell me, why do you think most people need PLEX but can't use real money to buy it. (Everyone i know pays for their subs and gets the odd plex for isk).

AKA the scientist.

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DaeHan Minhyok
Logical Outcomes
#29 - 2014-11-21 14:04:58 UTC
OP clearly does not understand the purpose or value of PLEX.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-11-21 18:18:12 UTC
Iris Bravemount wrote:
It's not the PLEX that has been increasing in value, it's the ISK that has been dropping in value.

I don't think ISK has lost 16% of its value in the past month or so. In fact, I believe at Fanfest 2013 they showed that PLEX rose in price at a time when the rest of EVE was experiencing deflation.

So, it really is that PLEX is increasing in value. Whic isn't that surprising when you look at how many uses CCP keep inventing to put it towards. Expect PLEX to shoot up even more once custom ship painting enters the game.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#31 - 2014-11-21 18:26:34 UTC
I would be for this with the faction plex being extremely limited, isn't there a air type or is that for just training an extra pilot on the account and not keeping the account online?

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uppo nalle
Finnish Legion
#32 - 2014-11-25 03:09:29 UTC
i would have nothing against cheaper PLEX, but what OP seems to fail to understand is that CCP does not run a charity. Why on earth would they implement something to the game that generates them 0 income? In case you didn't know how plex works: player A spends 20 or so dollars to buy a plex and sells it to B for isk, B uses PLEX to get gametime and CCP just made 20 dollars. With your idea player A buys the plex with LP and isk and sells it for isk, CCP made 0 dollars. how long do you think EVE would run as a charity? Would you work for free?

EDIT: and a big fat sloppy -1

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-11-25 03:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Komi Toran wrote:
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

This.

Now lets see if we can get PLEX to 2 billion before the new year.
Destitute Tehol Beddict
Binary Trading
#34 - 2014-11-25 03:44:37 UTC
While I think the idea of a faction PLEX is not a very good idea.. cause no RL money for CCP..

But instead of stopping there I was thinking of an alternative..

At first I thought of a something like a market coupon... PAY X LP to get -5% off your Market Transaction ... but then I thought of all the ugly things that people could do to exploit such a feature....

So then I thought it could go up to a certain maximum isk off a certain transaction... but then this creates a mininum isk/lp ratio so if something was to give 100M off and cost 100M isk and 100k lp that 1000 isk/lp.... again this isn't the best idea...

I guess they could do lp and tags so the market determines how much the lp is worth... it might itch closer to that right spot

Overall the concept of market coupon appeals to me... but all these basic ideas feel very exploitable..

Now if you make the coupon apply to PLEX only .... (since PLEX can't be manipulated <--- laughs out loud) ... yeah scratch that

I'll post this random rant... but I don't think the concept will work that well...

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2014-11-25 03:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Or we can do nothing and collect tears from the F2P crowd until the bubble bursts (if there even is one) and then collect the tears from the PLEX hoarders.

Its a game. Its not like people's actual retirement funds are on the line here. Just pay $15 a month and ignore the PLEX market. Makes life much easier.
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