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Bite Myarse
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-20 18:37:59 UTC
Hi everyone.

So you have all noticed that plex prices are getting abit on the ridiculous side 1 billion isk in jita currently as of this post.
Now not every person in eve can afford that each month and have isk to spend on doing their own little thing.

I have spoken to 100 people plus. And 80% of them agree with me that plex prices are forcing people to either spend real money via subscription or going to various websites to get plex's, now obviously this doesnt effect the people in eve that are established and making multi billions of isk a month. To them i say this doesnt really apply to you.

But at one point in the game when you thought plex prices were hard to reach and it sucked. Alot of people i have met on my travel's in eve and i have spoken to have either already or are going to leave multiple accounts to go offline until plex prices level out at something more reasonable.

My idea will upset a massive number of people who thrive on selling plex's and selling isk out of game (you know who you are) but CCP seed plex's in every market hub at say 500mil each with a unlimited amount so they cannot all be bought out and the same situation happens again or put say 5000 in each market hub and every week rest the buy order to a default quantity of say 5000 to stop people buying them all and making isk which in turn is forcing some players in eve to stop playing and move on.

If this was implemented i am 100% sure that people would come back to the game, reactivate accounts create new accounts etc and CCP would in turn make more money from it and more and more people could enjoy the game.

I know full well im going to get alot of hate for this post but im not bothered im only speaking for a vast number of people in game or out of game that have left. Plex prices need to be fixed at a reasonable price or people will continue to leave it.

Fly safe all and start the hatemail ;p
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Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2014-11-20 19:12:44 UTC
It's called supply and demand.

You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.

Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#3 - 2014-11-20 19:23:30 UTC
While prices do need to come down ccp will not seed plexs like that, plexes are bought with really money and used or set on market
Ccps attempt to flood the market as failed and while I used to lime the company when it was a game company and not a business my alts that I finally got after years of not having any are inactive as prices exceeded 850m and looking at 1b now will stay offline with my own possible deactivation not having time to getisk needed.
My alts went offline at the turn of the new loot compression nerd that killed the excess profit from a mission for it

Ccp tried and it failed as the small number of people that can own the market can kill all attempts

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-11-20 19:26:52 UTC
Bite Myarse wrote:
Tears and tears. Complains about price. Wants CCP to make changes and control the market. Makes other suggestions that are terrible. Tears.


O look this thread again.
Bite Myarse
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-11-20 19:32:16 UTC
i can afford the 1 bil a month for both my accounts i am just simply highlighting a common topic discussed in eve and a effect that the prices are having on the actual players the people who bring money in for CCP.

Its not in my interest to cry and moan about such a thing as i do market trading myself but i still believe that as not everyone can afford 1 billion a month or spend all month just to get it to restart again out of all the things that people control on the market PLEX shouldn't be one of them.
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-11-20 19:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Eldwinn
The problem with these threads is it the same thing everytime. Make a solution for CCP and how to approach the issue. Oppose to complaining about it. Also this is more of a feedback and ideas thread than anything.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#7 - 2014-11-20 20:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jean Luc Lemmont
CCP has repeatedly said that they will not directly manipulate the price of Plex on the market. If they feel the price is changing too rapidly, they will act to control that rate of change, but not the actual prices themselves.

Personally I just converted my last account over to $$ and am selling off my stored plex for ISK.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#8 - 2014-11-21 13:51:53 UTC
Mag's wrote:
It's called supply and demand.

You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.

Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?


Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.

The character does not represent the views/opinions of its Corporation or Alliance.

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#9 - 2014-11-21 14:19:42 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Mag's wrote:
It's called supply and demand.

You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.

Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?


Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.


that and reversing the flow which as i understand was attempted by another group

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#10 - 2014-11-21 15:24:53 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Mag's wrote:
It's called supply and demand.

You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.

Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?


Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.


The difference, of course, being that it is the only form of RMT expressly permitted by CCP, so long as the PLEX are purchased from them (or an authorized reseller).

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2014-11-21 21:14:22 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Mag's wrote:
It's called supply and demand.

You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.

Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?


Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.
I disagree, but see you need to qualify your idea with the word 'practically'. But then there is the point that people RMT to make money, not spend it. Don't they? Or are you confusing MT with this? But even that isn't the same.

But I digress, as that wasn't my point to the OP. He suggests the following:
Bite Myarse wrote:
My idea will upset a massive number of people who thrive on selling plex's and selling isk out of game....

So what is he suggesting here?
That people buy plex with RL monies (or ISK), then sell said plex for (or back to) ISK, then convert said ISK back to RL cash? Not forgetting the risk of perm bans and for what? I've not done the calculations, but.......

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-11-21 22:55:23 UTC
Quote:
Mike Azariah - You are still monitoring the price of PLEX, I assume. Are you still following Dr Eyjo’s
approch that as long as it is not going fast it is okay.
CCP Thomas - I am doing it a bit different. I am motoring PLEX prices and who uses them for
subscription in contrast to that. If PLEX prices rise high and users stay stable I’m not to worried. Not just
sale and turnover.
Mynnna - Where is the point where people just say nope, no more?
CCP Thomas - Not yet
Sugar - Have people been using it or have they been hoarding it? People use it as gold. Are they buying
and subbing or buying and hoarding?
CCP Thomas - Some of both.
Mynnna - On the transactions up there each PLEX gets sold several times
Mike Azariah - Have you tracked how many the times the individual plex is buy and sold before it turns
into a subscription
CCP Greyscale - The item ID does not work that way
CCP Thomas - We have not made any intervention with the PLEX market. The only thing we have done
are our regular sales.
- summer minutes CSM9 source

We asked and discussed this topic before. Probably will again. But no, I do not support the OP

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2014-11-23 02:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
so... if we unsub some of our alts that run on plex, they will take notice?

Also can we push for less npc alts posting incendiary threads in forums? Npc corp alts shouldn't have rights.

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Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#14 - 2014-11-24 08:08:02 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Mag's wrote:
It's called supply and demand.

You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.

Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?


Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.


No, you just used real money to acquire game time.

RIP Richard A. Butt

Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#15 - 2014-11-24 08:10:57 UTC
Bite Myarse wrote:
If this was implemented i am 100% sure that people would come back to the game, reactivate accounts create new accounts etc and CCP would in turn make more money from it and more and more people could enjoy the game.


You're asking CCP to give away free game time & in the same sentence saying that CCP would make more money for doing this.

RIP Richard A. Butt

Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#16 - 2014-11-24 15:59:44 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Also can we push for less npc alts posting incendiary threads in forums? Npc corp alts shouldn't have rights.


Only if we can also take the same rights away from the elitist bell ends that live out in nullsec.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#17 - 2014-11-24 17:31:49 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

Also can we push for less npc alts posting incendiary threads in forums? Npc corp alts shouldn't have rights.


Only if we can also take the same rights away from the elitist bell ends that live out in nullsec.


Thanks for admitting that NPCs are bad for the forum. If you don't like something someone in a player corp says, do something about it in-game.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2014-11-24 18:05:02 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Mag's wrote:
It's called supply and demand.

You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.

Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?


Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.


Actually... you have it reverse. If you sell ISK for RL money you are RMTing. If you buy ISK with RL money, you are soliciting RMT (it is basically the same paradigm as prostitution).

PLEX was designed to fight RMT by offering an alternative that...
- would be legal
- would create a "closed loop" between players and CCP in terms of money and in-game efforts


In this respect, PLEX has greatly succeeded.

However it seems that some players have come to depend on PLEX as some sort of lifeline... which it was never designed to be.

Honestly... PLEX is a "nice to have" thing and should never be a "I need it to keep playing" deal. If you cannot afford a piddling $15 a month sub then you have more pressing issues in RL than a game.

Not Supported.
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#19 - 2014-11-25 06:19:44 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
(it is basically the same paradigm as prostitution)


There's nothing wrong with a little prostitution.

RIP Richard A. Butt

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2014-11-25 17:35:28 UTC
Syllviaa wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
(it is basically the same paradigm as prostitution)


There's nothing wrong with a little prostitution.

Depends on where you live. Blink

Selling and buying is illegal in most of the US.
Selling and buying is illegal in China, but enforcement is (at best) lax.
Selling is legal, but buying is not in Sweeden.
Selling and buying are more or less legal in Germany.
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