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Ishtar/Dominix - An idea on Rebalancing Droneboats
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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-11-21 10:22:09 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Kill the Drone assist function to balance drone boats.
for the rest: why dont you complain about t3 ships? Same range, more dps, faster, 5+ times the tank. and the dps cannot be destroyed

edit: and there is nothing unbalanced with the Dominix


Yet you can shut down 100% of the DPS of a T3 by damping it so it cannot lock you. Drones can bne assisted to someone who isn't damped even if your ship is permanently jammed.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-11-21 23:29:20 UTC
restrict cruiser+ sizes to carring only 7 drones, or unable to carry both medium and light drones at the same time.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-11-21 23:31:01 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Alruan Shadowborn wrote:
Lastly, and more controversially, remove Aggressive mode from drones, make people lock and fire them each time, so that damps have a real effect on droneboats, and also force considerations on whether it is better to assist all the drones to one guy who can be damped, or to assist to multiple, or make everyone fight themselves and present many targets.

Finally a drones change that I can get behind. Most PvE players that use drones never use aggressive mode anyway so this change does not affect them in any significant way so +1 to this part of your idea.

-1 to the rest.




If combat drones weren't so obviously powerful, ewar drones might get used more often. We just have to look at the rate of what type of drones are being used to see what's OP.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Mario Putzo
#24 - 2014-11-22 03:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Make ECM disrupt drone control range and drone control bandwidth by a % make 2 new scripts, and poof you have your counter, while solving the side theatre of "Whaaa ECM". You can effectively remove the all or nothing effect of ECM at the same time.

Id sat following a similar line as the sensor damp structure wouldn't hurt. 34% before bonuses with a script.

This of course would mean ECM would no longer target, targeting systems, and might give CCP an excuse to add a drone bandwith boosting module to help offset the effects of ECM, (like Sebo's Tracking Computers etc). Which would also allow for other interesting uses for drone boats to explore.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#25 - 2014-11-22 04:08:41 UTC
Alruan Shadowborn wrote:
Hey,

This idea came to me the other day, on how we can make the Ishtar still an option for people, but one that comes with more considerations.

And it does not involving adjusting the hull at all.

Currently, if you look at missiles and guns, you have to be able to lock to fire, and if someone wants to disrupt you doing that, they target your ship and Neut/Damp/Disrupt/ECM you, affecting all your weapons.

With Droneboats, I believe currently to disrupt tracking or any other mechanism, you need to destroy their drones, which they can launch another flight of, etc.

In order to balance these ships more, would it be possible to make Damps affect Drone Control Range, ie the control ship needs to be closer to the target, just like Damps on a turret ship. This creates the opportunity for an enemy to force the droneboat into engagement range, or to disengage.

Likewise, having tracking disruptors affect Omni Tracking Links would mean that the entire weapon system had reduced tracking, making the choice of drones for differing engagements more important than drop sentries with multiple tracking links/enhancers to boost it enough.

Lastly, and more controversially, remove Aggressive mode from drones, make people lock and fire them each time, so that damps have a real effect on droneboats, and also force considerations on whether it is better to assist all the drones to one guy who can be damped, or to assist to multiple, or make everyone fight themselves and present many targets.

These Ewar types, would force more interesting combat choices, and ensure that Ishtars are more engageable than they currently are.

Let the roars of fury flow


The only thing worse than Ishtars online is ECM online.
Glendon Eto
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-11-22 06:34:25 UTC
Problem could be solved with three minor changes.

1. Make Sentries 50mb bandwidth

2. Give Battleships max 250mb bandwidth

3. Keep Cruisers to a max of 125

Ishtars could use sentries, but only 2
Battleships could use 5

Problem solved with no nerf to sentry mechanics or the drones themselves.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#27 - 2014-11-22 06:53:56 UTC
Luwc wrote:
Remove Sentries from the Game.

Problem Solved.


Luwc, whatya doin'??

The sentence goes, remove sentries from Ishtars.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-11-22 08:14:33 UTC
I'd be happy with ishtar bandwidth dropping to 100 and heavies dropping to 20 bandwidth each. This would top out an ishtars delloyed sentries at the same as the myrm leaving the Eos and Domi as the ships that can deploy 5 sentries in the gallente lineup. Problem here is does tjis have knock on effects with other hulls now being able to launch 5 heavies where they couldn't before...
The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-11-22 10:50:34 UTC
Came in here to "not" like this and left pleasantly +1 surprised!
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-11-22 17:22:16 UTC
The Hamilton wrote:
Came in here to "not" like this and left pleasantly +1 surprised!


That's what the last group of exotic dancers i saved said too...
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#31 - 2014-11-23 04:18:24 UTC
Glendon Eto wrote:
Problem could be solved with three minor changes.

1. Make Sentries 50mb bandwidth

2. Give Battleships max 250mb bandwidth

3. Keep Cruisers to a max of 125

Ishtars could use sentries, but only 2
Battleships could use 5

Problem solved with no nerf to sentry mechanics or the drones themselves.



You got to be crazy, that would limit the Rattlesnake to a single sentry drone and they already screwed it up badly enough as it is.

When CCP re-balanced the Rattlesnake the way they did it really limits what they can do on the drones side to balance out this Ishtar thing. Changes like this proposal may help with the Ishtar but severely limits the Rattlesnake in the process and I do not see them taking the snake back to what it was before the re-balance.

So as I keep saying no to any form of changes to the drones. Whatever can be or needs to be done will have to be done with the various ships involved. But that assumes that there is a problem to start with, and based on conversations with others in and out of the game I am not convinced that there is an Ishtar/drones problem to begin with.
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