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Stackable GCC

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2014-11-18 23:48:09 UTC
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
it was just a suggestion
Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever.


And it's not that's why I came with that suggestion.
How is it not balanced?

You can't just turn round and say it's not balanced without having a reasonable explanation of why you feel that way. As it is we have your opinion that "it's not fair"....

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-11-18 23:49:19 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The game has over the years constantly changed in favor of harsher and harsher penalties for gankers. The penalties that exist now are more severe than they have ever been and concord has always gotten more and more powerful, in fact it's literally against the rules to not be killed by them.

There aren't even two sides to it, ganking has never gotten buffed, concord hasn't evern had its response times increased or capabilities reduced, just more penalties, more effective concord, shorter response times, nowadays you're even magically prevented from warping while GCC. Ganking for profit is much, much more difficult and expensive than it was even a few years ago.

Gankers have endured more direct nerfs to their playstyle than any other group of players in the game, the fact that they continue to make a profit in spite of that is a testament to their dedication and you don't find them endlessly whining on the forums to get the game changed to penalize other players because they dislike their gameplay style.

Those people are freaking saints. They take an endless shitting on from CCP and rather than complaining about it they adapt and soldier on, all the while other people who don't respect their right to play the game how they please petition CCP to make the game worse for the gankers.

Shove off, and take your desire to have other people arbitrarily punished for playing the game in a way you don't like back under whatever rocked you crawled from under.


Since I don't even stay in high sec you can crawl back under the same rock as me ;)

Don't gankers whine?

There is a thread about Skiffs being to hard to kill for a solo ganker etc so yes they whine when they don't get what they want.


But we stop here and now.

I now know that you don't like the stacked GCC.
Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-11-18 23:51:37 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
it was just a suggestion
Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever.


And it's not that's why I came with that suggestion.
How is it not balanced?

You can't just turn round and say it's not balanced without having a reasonable explanation of why you feel that way. As it is we have your opinion that "it's not fair"....


If you are so eager to PvP just move to null or something.


But as I just said.

I get the point, you don't like the stacked GCC so we stop here and now.
Paranoid Loyd
#24 - 2014-11-18 23:54:29 UTC
It's not about like or don't like, its about making suggestions about mechanics you understand. You just said you don't live in high sec, so why do you think you have any right to comment on it's mechanics? You don't see me putting in my two cents about how sov should be, you know why? Because I know I am ignorant to how those mechanics currently work and am not in any position to have an opinion.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2014-11-19 00:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
it was just a suggestion
Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever.


And it's not that's why I came with that suggestion.
How is it not balanced?

You can't just turn round and say it's not balanced without having a reasonable explanation of why you feel that way. As it is we have your opinion that "it's not fair"....


If you are so eager to PvP just move to null or something.


But as I just said.

I get the point, you don't like the stacked GCC so we stop here and now.
You misunderstand where I stand, I don't do ship to ship PvP, I mine, I run missions, I do a little exploration, I trade on the markets, in short I am a bear.

Even if I did want to PvP, why would I go to nullsec?
Eve is a PvP game, highsec is not exempt from that. Highsec is full of people who make it easyish to kill them, certainly easier than in lowsec or nullsec where people usually make good use of the options available to everybody.

I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to try and make me explode. I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, and know how they operate. More importantly who they target, and why.

I don't go afk, I don't use AP, I actually tank my haulers, expensive stuff gets farmed out to RF or PushX with the right collateral, I use a Procurer or a Skiff to mine. Unless I'm the only prey in the system most gankers will take the easier target(s).

TL;DR I'm a bear, I make sure that I'm harder to kill than the bear next to me. Therein is the balance, I use the options available to me and I'm hard to kill easily.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Paranoid Loyd
#26 - 2014-11-19 00:12:33 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target.
Knowledge tank, best tank.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-11-19 00:19:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You misunderstand where I stand, I don't do ship to ship PvP, I mine, I run missions, I do a little exploration, I trade on the markets, in short I am a bear.

I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target.

I don't go afk, I don't use AP, I actually tank my haulers, expensive stuff gets farmed out to RF or PushX with the right collateral, I use a Procurer or a Skiff to mine. Unless I'm the only prey in the system most gankers will take the easier target.

TL;DR I'm a bear, I make sure that I'm harder to kill than the bear next to me. Therein is the balance, I use the options available to me and I'm hard to kill easily.


Sorry for that, thanks for explaining your position.

It's hard to balance a game and make all players happy.

Fly safe!

And to everyone else.
I didn't really want to lit the flame as you might have thought.
I just gave a suggestion that you didn't like, that's all.
Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-11-19 00:20:13 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target.
Knowledge tank, best tank.


That's a truth that will never change anywhere.

Fly safe or unsafe if you are on that part ;)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#29 - 2014-11-19 00:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target.
Knowledge tank, best tank.

Half the fun is in watching everybody around you explode because you're the sole Skiff in the belt/ice anom, or flying through Uedama in a T1 hauler that aligns like a cruiser and packs 40k+ EHP.

Gankers are part of my content, they make life interesting, albeit mostly for others Twisted

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-11-19 00:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Eldwinn
Came into thread expecting gold tears. I am disappointed OP. The agreement of C&P is you post tears then leave. Not explain yourself and defend yourself properly. However no to your idea. Just no.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#31 - 2014-11-19 00:42:14 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I understand that others out there may decide that they'd like to make me explode, I do my best to deter them, I know who they are, understand what they do and who they target.
Knowledge tank, best tank.

Half the fun is in watching everybody around you explode because you're the sole Skiff in the belt/ice anom, or flying through Uedama in a T1 hauler that aligns like a cruiser and packs 40k+ EHP.

Gankers are part of my content, they make life interesting, albeit mostly for others Twisted



Exactly, if it weren't for people like me, Jonah would have more competition.

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Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#32 - 2014-11-19 01:49:45 UTC
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The game has over the years constantly changed in favor of harsher and harsher penalties for gankers. The penalties that exist now are more severe than they have ever been and concord has always gotten more and more powerful, in fact it's literally against the rules to not be killed by them.

There aren't even two sides to it, ganking has never gotten buffed, concord hasn't evern had its response times increased or capabilities reduced, just more penalties, more effective concord, shorter response times, nowadays you're even magically prevented from warping while GCC. Ganking for profit is much, much more difficult and expensive than it was even a few years ago.

Gankers have endured more direct nerfs to their playstyle than any other group of players in the game, the fact that they continue to make a profit in spite of that is a testament to their dedication and you don't find them endlessly whining on the forums to get the game changed to penalize other players because they dislike their gameplay style.

Those people are freaking saints. They take an endless shitting on from CCP and rather than complaining about it they adapt and soldier on, all the while other people who don't respect their right to play the game how they please petition CCP to make the game worse for the gankers.

Shove off, and take your desire to have other people arbitrarily punished for playing the game in a way you don't like back under whatever rocked you crawled from under.


Since I don't even stay in high sec you can crawl back under the same rock as me ;)

Don't gankers whine?

There is a thread about Skiffs being to hard to kill for a solo ganker etc so yes they whine when they don't get what they want.


But we stop here and now.

I now know that you don't like the stacked GCC.
Because you haven't read the thread..
The agreement on Skiffs in that thread is that their yield:cargo:tank is way too out of whack compared to the other Exhumers.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#33 - 2014-11-19 01:57:53 UTC
Fenix Neutrino wrote:

If you are so eager to PvP just move to null or something.


No.

EVE is a PvP game. And PvP belongs everywhere. That includes highsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Gevlon Goalposts
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-11-19 03:49:02 UTC
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this.

If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic.
Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now.
It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all.
It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player.

So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today.
Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way.

So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE.


/Fenix Neutrino


ITT: It's not fair! I do nothing to contribute towards my own safety but it's just not fair!
Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2014-11-19 06:29:55 UTC
As I said earlier, we stop here and now.
I didn't suggest this to start a fire, nor to stop gankers etc.
I know you don't like the idea.

Fly safe or unsafe if you like ;-)

Last post in this thread, at least from me.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#36 - 2014-11-19 11:46:39 UTC
This is rapidly becoming my favourite forum quote:


Zepheros Naeonis wrote:
So tl;dr: "I don't pay enough attention and therefore should be coddled."

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-11-19 14:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cetaphil Thrace
It is unbalanced game play. I do not think it is fair that if i pop a miner in .5 system, i cant warp out. I am stuck until concord gets there 20 seconds later and pops me. Does that seem fair? If they want it realistic, then i should be able to run from them like the Duke Boys :)
Buddy Scrap
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-11-19 14:42:39 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with OP...should be much harsher consequences for repeat criminals. Instead of 15 minutes, how about 15 hours for -10s?


Because CCP don't want the primary content creators of hisec being out of commission for half a day each time they so much as fart in the wrong direction.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#39 - 2014-11-19 15:06:21 UTC
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this.

If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic.
Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now.
It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all.
It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player.

So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today.
Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way.

So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE.


/Fenix Neutrino


You have let ur entire alliance down by posting this.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-11-19 16:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
I am just going to leave this here. Please pay special attention to the message from CCP Falcon.

tldr;
HTFU you pansy.

F