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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#101 - 2014-11-18 16:09:19 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:



Speaking of out of context quoting, going Commando in a T2 shirt would be hitting two Arnold references in the same outfit.




No. That would be too much Arnold. It could cause some sort of universal implosion, or something.


You can't have too much Arnold.


It pains me to say this but...
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2014-11-18 16:09:37 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
then I guess we should ban body building and Arnold shirt right?
Because it leads to the idea that all men are buff, all men are only buff and all men should always be buff?

arnold, in his films, is usually portrayed as a powerful man and is not as a sexualised man. also, men are not sexualised nearly as much as women in media. you're hitting upon a larger and equally damaging idea of perfect body image, and certain tropes of depictions of men in films (and videogames) that suggest men must be ~powerful angry no-tears heroes~

i'm glad you're thinking like this

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I'm sorry thought I watched the ESA comet landing thing, didn't look much like the latest fashion show in Paris, for the upcoming Winter-Spring trends.

yet again, the criticism on the man's shirt is through a feminist frame. you must understand that comment on broad societal issues will almost certainly encompass social events such as popular television presentations and news conferences
Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#103 - 2014-11-18 16:12:14 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
But nowadays women on everything is degrading and taboo because we have no clue about what we are fighting for durrr.

arguing against a made-up opposition is so easy, isn't it?

Nami Kumamato wrote:
Women on clothes that are not used as a promoting or to degrade the image of the woman are totally ok.
And putting a naked woman on a shirt is degrading depending what woman you ask thus subject to various interpretations.
And his shirt has nothing explicit on it - but

but it was sexualised. the shirt represents and is part of a trend in society of unduly sexualising women. now, sexualisation in itself isn't a bad thing, and that leads to confusion for some people. humans are, among other things, sexual creatures. the trend of inordinate sexualisation is the big problem. it leads to society and individuals thinking of women as always being sexual. this leads to the expectation that a women is only sexual, that a woman's body is always sexual, that a woman should be always sexual, that a woman is wrong if she's not being sexual.

this isn't right. a woman is sexual when she desires to be sexual. this is why it's not appropriate in a workplace, for one thing. this is why it can rightly make people feel uncomfortable. it's a trend that society needs to move away from to be healthy, and we do that by recognising, describing and criticising examples of the trend.


So what you're basically saying is, every image of a woman is sexist and oppressive?
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-11-18 16:16:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:



Speaking of out of context quoting, going Commando in a T2 shirt would be hitting two Arnold references in the same outfit.




No. That would be too much Arnold. It could cause some sort of universal implosion, or something.


You can't have too much Arnold.


It pains me to say this but...


Touche !

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2014-11-18 16:17:00 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
So what you're basically saying is, every image of a woman is sexist and oppressive?

DAT STRAWMAN

l2r
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#106 - 2014-11-18 16:18:50 UTC
I mean, bottom line is the shirt wasn't really appropriate for the venue, besides being sexist (this is regardless of its origins). Anyway, I'm also fairly certain the guy learned his lesson and will be quite careful what he wears to the next historic event he's involved in (that's a plus). At the end of the day, on such a historic occasion, it's nice to know that objectifying women will always be associated with that event.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Kendra Katana
Slugcat Hive Intelligence
#107 - 2014-11-18 16:19:47 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
So what you're basically saying is, every image of a woman is sexist and oppressive?


Did you actually read his post, or that's what you took from it? Because it's nowhere near to what he said.
But females in leather, skimpy underwear like on the Dr Matt Taylor's shirt were extremely oversexualized.

Don't get me wrong, the level of bullshit he has to go through now isn't justified. That shirt represented some existing issue, but he as a person isn't guilty of it. Hence, I don't think we should bash the person but rather the concept.
On the other hand, wearing that shirt for interview was rather silly move on his part. Why would he do that? To gain as much media coverage as the other NASA engineer with the fancy haircut? Because I doubt anyone who actually takes few seconds to think what they are doing would wear that shirt otherwise.

“Do your own thing on your own terms and get what you came here for.”

-Oliver James
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#108 - 2014-11-18 16:20:47 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
I mean, bottom line is the shirt wasn't really appropriate for the venue, besides being sexist (this is regardless of its origins). Anyway, I'm also fairly certain the guy learned his lesson and will be quite careful what he wears to the next historic event he's involved in (that's a plus). At the end of the day, on such a historic occasion, it's nice to know that objectifying women will always be associated with that event.


What - you tought you could go to that comet all alone? N' aaaah! In sickness and in health ma boy!

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#109 - 2014-11-18 16:21:50 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
also, men are not sexualised nearly as much as women in media.


No, just derided, degraded and emasculated throughout television. One of the first and worst examples was Everybody Loves Raymond, but the trend of the "dumbass husband" runs throughout modern media.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#110 - 2014-11-18 16:23:57 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
So what you're basically saying is, every image of a woman is sexist and oppressive?

DAT STRAWMAN

l2r


I did read.
Apparently a shirt with women who are not only clothed but not posing in a provocative way is sexist and oppressive.
Which begs me to ask, is there any image of a woman that's not sexist and oppressive? I'm sure my avatar is sexist since her breasts are exposed. Call Anita Sarkeesian so she can raid CCP.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2014-11-18 16:26:50 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
also, men are not sexualised nearly as much as women in media.


No, just derided, degraded and emasculated throughout television. One of the first and worst examples was Everybody Loves Raymond, but the trend of the "dumbass husband" runs throughout modern media.

we can criticise poor images of men as well as poor images of women. it's about expressing why the image might be damaging. there's no rule that says you're batting for one gender or the other. it's about finding the best way to live together as human beings, not picking a team.

Kendra Katana wrote:
Don't get me wrong, the level of bullshit he has to go through now isn't justified. That shirt represented some existing issue, but he as a person isn't guilty of it. Hence, I don't think we should bash the person but rather the concept.

i haven't seen anything like bullying on the guy. i've seen plenty on some critics of his shirt. not to diminish any harassment he might have recieved. any harassment is not justified.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2014-11-18 16:27:44 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
l2r


I did read.

nuh-uh
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#113 - 2014-11-18 16:28:12 UTC
Hey, here's a thought.

I find iconoclasty offensive and oppressive.

But apparently it is not okay for me to confront people who engage in this behavior. Only they are allowed to stand up for anything (even if their beliefs are both mutable and imaginary).

And this is somehow totally not a textbook example of a privileged class.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#114 - 2014-11-18 16:30:41 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:

we can criticise poor images of men as well as poor images of women.


Except that is not what is happening. If anything it's been ramped up in the last decade.

And pointing out their flagrant hypocrisy is important to the discussion. They aren't out for anything resembling equality, and they never were. Feminism is the female supremacist movement. And I treat them with equal derision as I would the white supremacist movement. Except the media isn't in lockstep with the white supremacists.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#115 - 2014-11-18 16:48:43 UTC
If it wasn't the shirt, it would have been something else.

That's the problem with allowing fundamentalists access to the internet. They fear science and thus attack it at every opportunity.

Mr Epeen Cool
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#116 - 2014-11-18 16:49:13 UTC
Kendra Katana wrote:
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
l2r


I did read.

nuh-uh


Let's totally ignore valid arguments because arguing nonsense against something that makes sense is really hard.

Today's feminist movement is a joke. Even to itself. The sheer fact that someone lands a probe on a comet and people talk about his shirt is proof enough of how smart feminists really are. Honestly, feminists can't even validate their own claims.

Also, to be real about this, if a shirt offends you, kill yourself.


What valid points? That half nude females in skimpy leather underwear is not an oversexualized image? It is, hence you don't see women dress like this in public. So stop being too dense to get that.

Also, as for your second point, the fact that some issue doesn't affect you doesn't mean it's not real. Today's feminism, as well as feminism years ago is needed as it addresses valid and issues in modern society. It's not about "supremacy". It's about equality.
I don't know if that's new to you, but the fact that someone calls themselves a feminist doesn't mean they are one.


On a comic note the primary reason why I wear pants in public is because I would be mighty cold without them and I'd get raped at every street corner if I didn't. Pus the lack of clothes would make "those" days kinda..weird and grose frankly.

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Kendra Katana
Slugcat Hive Intelligence
#117 - 2014-11-18 16:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kendra Katana
Now you are just making fool of yourself.
Are you seriously trying to prove a point that women do wear PVC underwear in public which is completely normal and accepted behaviour in normal society?
Like, you seem to think "Hey, one in a milion of women did wear that in public, hence it's completely normal!". You do realize that deviation from norm doesn't make that deviation normal, right? Hence it's deviation.

“Do your own thing on your own terms and get what you came here for.”

-Oliver James
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-11-18 16:54:10 UTC


Nami, I think I was going about this thread all wrong.


Because of this thread we can take a break from that clone thread. Yeah, that one. You rock!

Call me Joe.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-11-18 16:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
Jvpiter wrote:


Nami, I think I was going about this thread all wrong.


Because of this thread we can take a break from that clone thread. Yeah, that one. You rock!



Bask in my glory mortal!

(Also if you plan to deify me, please use summary clothing and/or skampy lingerie in your depictions because like the ancients my followers should know that a woman's body is worth admiring and is an echelon of beauty, you hairless apes!)

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#120 - 2014-11-18 17:32:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:

I have serious doubts you would show up to a work interview and argue you have a right to wear that shirt if they told you, "no way you can wear that shirt here."



I have serious doubts that they get to be picky about rocket scientists.



Yeah I always equate professional value with "will they let me get away with wearing half naked women on my shirt when we land this rocket on a comet on international TV day".


One has no relation with the other, though you've been trying very hard to draw a connection.

Call me Joe.