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[Rhea] Graphical Features Feedback and Discussion

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#81 - 2014-11-18 14:16:43 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
Could be nice to see "promised" shield effects and structure damage. Please :-)


Been excited for these since they teased them but i hope they come along way from what they have show (particularly with shields) before they even try to implement them
Jarod Garamonde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2014-11-18 15:12:41 UTC
CCP Antiquarian wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Any ETA for when we can expect to see the Minmatar ships? I'd like to actually see what I'm flying rather than just a few blinking lights. Thanks!



It's underway!

In fact, you should have visible Frigates, Destroyers, Cruisers and Battleships as of today/tomorrow.

If not, noise me up.



Just..... just, please tell me that if you ever do anything to the Ferox, you'll only smooth it out. That shape is legendary, and Ferox pilots adore it. If it changes a little, in the name of looking more badass, great. But don't go too far with that one. Learn from the Moa redesign.

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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
#83 - 2014-11-18 15:57:28 UTC
Buzzard / Kitsure missing for me.

Another vote for the Kaalakiota don't look right camp - colours look like they've been through the washing machine 1000 times and then the ships have been dropped in mud.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#84 - 2014-11-18 15:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Overall the ships seem to be improving, but I must insist that the Hyperion - and all the former tier-3 battleships - desperately need texture updates. Every new advancement of the lighting/rendering system makes these four ships show their age more and more. Especially on the Hyperion (which is why I mentioned it by name at the start), you can see where details were able to be fudged under previous lighting systems (especially the narrow part in the front half of the ship) only to have those fudged details harshly illuminated in the new system. Please please please fix it - not just for the Hyperion, but for the Rokh/Abaddon/Maelstrom as well.

Other than that, my general feedback is that this new rendering system is very interesting. Minmatar ships, now that they're (mostly) in all look pretty amazing - especially the Tempest and Vargur (although I do take some issue with making the Republic Fleet camo even more camo-y and still don't understand why we need camo in space) - but I do want to insist that with "dirtier dirt, matter matte and glossier gloss" comes an increased need for careful discretion in where these things are used. There's a line where "dirt" becomes "junky", "matte" becomes "plastic" and "gloss" becomes "silly", "cartoony" or "chrome-plated".

The Nighthawk looks ridiculously filthy. Please remember to wash the space-mud off of it after you use it to go rally racing. Caldari Navy ships look, to me, as if they've been somewhat haphazardly painted with varying shades of blue much the way a junky old used car might be. Ishukone ships vary widely, but the Ishukone Moa (is that the Eagle? I don't fly much Caldari) looks like it was forged by bankers from a brick of solid gold. Lai Dai ships overall look good.

Gallente ships, by and large, are indescribably shiny. Duvolle ships (Kronos, Nemesis, Deimos, et al) have been hit especially hard by this - what used to be dark, foreboding ships are now silver and yellow, shining like a plastic cereal-box toy. The "G" in Gallente clearly means "God dayum, that's glossy".

Amarr ships seem alright, though some appear to fare better than others depending on ship age (Apocalypse fares very well, Abaddon fares less well) and how much detail exists (Armageddon is an old ship but fares well due to an uncomplicated model unlike the Abaddon's) and the gold trim, as someone else stated, could be more "imperial Issue on TQ Gold" and less what it is now. Edge the white hull plating back somewhat towards how it is on TQ and brighten the black trim on Amarr Navy Issues so we can see some detail (or simply reduce the sheen on it).

For my last point, I'm going to echo someone else's sentiment from earlier in this thread: It would be delightful if we could be shown new models early enough in the development cycle for our feedback to mean anything or be of any use. The Caldari ship lineup in particular is showing very little consistency now that the "caldari aesthetic" seems to be shifting away from the Scorpion/Ibis/Moa sorts of designs and drawing on Lockheed-Martin like Mordu's ships.
Arla Sarain
#85 - 2014-11-18 16:14:42 UTC
Doesn't seem like a lot of modelling thought was given to the Incursus hull.

Not in comparison to the Blackbird.

Please reconsider changing the Incursus hull. Quite frankly it looks very poor. That is even bar the sparing antenna change.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#86 - 2014-11-18 16:16:07 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Owen E Vader wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
that the new blackbird looks perfect.

WTF Shocked

What, it's glorious.

Look at the old blackbird.

Look at the new blackbird.

How can anyone honestly say that they prefer the old one?

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Valterra Craven
#87 - 2014-11-18 16:52:23 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Owen E Vader wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
that the new blackbird looks perfect.

WTF Shocked

What, it's glorious.

Look at the old blackbird.

Look at the new blackbird.

How can anyone honestly say that they prefer the old one?


I can honestly say I prefer the old one.
Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
#88 - 2014-11-18 17:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Fergus Runkle
It all looks great, apart from the Kaalakiota ships, they need the black back.
Schmurfy
WarGuilds
#89 - 2014-11-18 17:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmurfy
Overall the new rendering is really nice but there are still some ships that feel... weird, we looked at all ships yesterday with corpmates and the ships that got the "gold" look really like cheap jewelery, they are way to shiny to feel real.

Some examples:
- Arazu (really shiny)
- Deimos (the black parts looks like dirt)
- Keres (really shiny too)
- Taranis (also really shiny)

These are just example but most of the yellow ships got the gold look, when they only had a little yellow it looks awesome on most but with a lot of yellow they get the cheap jewelery look (for me at least).

What do you guys think ? Do you like that heavy gold shine ?

PS: one example of a ship where the gold looks great is the providence and the Ark, those ship are beautiful now more than ever ^^
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#90 - 2014-11-18 17:29:06 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Owen E Vader wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
that the new blackbird looks perfect.

WTF Shocked

What, it's glorious.

Look at the old blackbird.

Look at the new blackbird.

How can anyone honestly say that they prefer the old one?


I can honestly say I prefer the old one.


This was not a spaceship, this was a flying automatic spam forwarding server more than anything.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-11-18 18:02:49 UTC
Blackbird: Although I like the remodel, the name needs to be changed, as the ship looks like a crab, not a bird.

Viziam ships: So, what does Viziam do to their ship hulls after construction? Burry them on a planet before digging them back up and giving them a once-over with a hose? These ships look dirty. I would expect that from Matari beasts, but not the golden Amarr.

Bustard: All shades of baby poop.
Valterra Craven
#92 - 2014-11-18 18:27:40 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:


This was not a spaceship, this was a flying automatic spam forwarding server more than anything.


Same can be said of the new model.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#93 - 2014-11-18 19:31:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
The Carthum red base color on the Ark needs some rework. It's very matte and not as vibrant as on the Absolution.

You inverted the red-gold ratio on the Guardian, which should be reverted. That's a problem in addition to the same matte red tone of the Guardian.

The Retribution's ornaments (the flourishes on the sides) are not gold when they should be golden. It's basically gotten the same red-gold inversion as the Guardian, which should be reverted.

Same with the Crusader, although it looks kind of okay there.

In conclusion: Every ship should have the effects like the Absolution, which has the best Carthum color scheme so far.

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A word of praise: The Khanid ship line looks absolutely amazing again! Shocked That is some truly great work there! Not this ugly brown-blackbrown tone as it is on TQ, but again the amazing black-silver from the olden days! DO NOT CHANGE THAT!

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Viziam ships (Prorator, Zealot, Redeemer) look pretty much ok, although the Redeemer really looks like a ghost with this almost white base tone and the very bright greenish hue on the ornaments. Although, on a second thought: After looking at the Viziam stations I think that the slightly darker base/green hue would be better than this ghost white.

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The Tash-Murkon line should be changed back to the TQ values: the grey base needs to be a darker (as dark as the base grey on their stations) and the red more of an crimson red, again as on their stations.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#94 - 2014-11-18 19:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
I've seen that you added some fancy stuff to the belly of the Onyx. Is there some hope that you do the same to the Eagle as well and get rid of the current additions to the hull?

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Ishukone Watch ships need to be sprayed with more black. Still.

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I'm still unsure about the dust, dirt and rust on the Kaalakiota ships.

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Laidai ships also accumulated rust (see the outermost hard point on the Hawk wings). How can there be rust on a ship in space? Not to mention the lack of oxygen, but letting a combat ship rust or wither away that much is extremely irresponsible.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

CCP Sledgehammer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#95 - 2014-11-18 19:40:16 UTC
Thanks very much folks! Keep the feedback coming!

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Jessica Lanson
Port Hercules
#96 - 2014-11-18 19:43:39 UTC
I like the new graphics. They are higher quality and well executed.

However I have a stylistic objection. The Minmatar have always had a "junkyard" vibe to them yet their ships are polished new. On the other hand the Caldari are the ones that get the dirty, in need of cleaning, Nighthawk.
Martin Corwin
Doomheim
#97 - 2014-11-18 20:01:54 UTC
What happened to that awesome light blue on CreoDron ships (helios, ishkur, ishtar, etc.) ? Cry
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
#98 - 2014-11-18 20:03:18 UTC
So-- some quick thoughts. I looked through most of the ships via the market. The KK ships' red detailing looked a bit washed-out; I'd definitely increase the saturation by a tad so that the red is more crimson than brick.

Also, the Guristas ships I looked at looked fairly flat; I'd perhaps recommend adding a bit of green to the coloring overall, or darkening them. As it stands, they look a bit like sun-bleached toys. :/

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#99 - 2014-11-18 20:25:39 UTC
Martin Corwin wrote:
What happened to that awesome light blue on CreoDron ships (helios, ishkur, ishtar, etc.) ? Cry


that was changed to the grass green a while back as apparently green is the CreoDrone signature color, not this steel blue.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#100 - 2014-11-18 21:17:18 UTC
Geddon front looks kinda washed out and has lost depth.

The ice blue lights on Khanid and Amarr navy ships will be greatly missed by this capsuleer.

Enyo/Ishkur look great but a little too polished/perfect. Needs some nooks and cranny if you know what I mean.

The new Falcon/BB is the work of a mad man! Just ... great!

The Echolon looks bugged atm.