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[Rhea] Graphical Features Feedback and Discussion

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
#261 - 2014-12-03 12:02:53 UTC
I do hope that the Amarr ships are still a WIP - as well as my NM - because wow if not.

some are looking acceptable to the standard - such as the Paladin - accept for a the darkest parts - little lacking in detail and real artistic shading... but some are horrible tacky/gaudy - the Abaddon is probably the worst offender atm... but a lot of the colors are still plain wrong.

The funny thing is - you take the Apocalypse and you look at the lit-side and it looks like a badly painted toy... you look at the same ship from the other side and the colors, details and lights and all are just outstanding looking due to the change in shades from it not being so harshly lit... I think if they took the image of that side and then used that as the color pallet we would be in business on the Amarrian scheme.

Calvitus Thorn
Black Operations Command - Beta Aquilae Divison
#262 - 2014-12-03 15:16:44 UTC
I took a closer look to some of the Minmatar ships, especially to the Vagabond. There are some annoying issues. Some of them are new, some persist since i joined EVE. The picture shows everything.

http://s27.postimg.org/3kqipqnmr/vaga.jpg



I really like the look of the rear section of the Stabber espeacially Navy Stabber. Why not you use that on the Vaga?

http://s13.postimg.org/6d0av09hj/stabber.jpg



What happend to the typical dark-red-orange glow of the Boundless Creation ships?

http://s10.postimg.org/u42ffc6nd/boundless.jpg



You really think the new graphics look better than the old on the Fenrir?

http://s27.postimg.org/o2g2f4p43/fenrir.jpg



The camo of Angels, Guristas and Boundless Creation look kinda same. How about some different colours, or at least different forms. e.g. tiger-strips or some thing like that.



Blood Raiders are like vampires right? So why don't use the pale ivory background colour of the Amar Fleet vessels, instead of the beige T1-painting?
Cassie Celestis
Doomheim
#263 - 2014-12-03 15:21:44 UTC
Would have to agree on the Amarr ships case.

Most of them need some recoloring/retexturing work done. Under most lighting effects the colors look either dirty or give out a paper-plastic feel. Hell its as if the Empire run out of armor plates and used dirty paper sheets or something. Roll
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#264 - 2014-12-03 15:34:49 UTC
does the new blackbird model not have a visible drone bay as all new builds are getting?
same question about he incursus hull?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#265 - 2014-12-03 15:36:41 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
I keep googling "atron redesign" every week.

Bloody hell CCP.
http://i.imgur.com/jEICv.jpg


even wings would be nice

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#266 - 2014-12-03 18:20:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Salpun wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Gonna keep asking until we get an answer...

Are you implementing the ability to wear GDN "Nightstalker" goggles "up" on our foreheads, as suggested by this image?

Answer I got in Sisi chat was it was just for the web site graphic Cry

Jesus Christ, and I thought CCP couldn't sink any lower. To have gotten that picture, they have to have programmed that feature into the engine at some point - and yet they won't release it to us?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#267 - 2014-12-04 02:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
The Serpentis ships are still grey. Why are they grey?

Why for the love of Bob are the Serpentis ships grey? They need to be black. Make them black. Even if you're turning Gallente civilian ships aluminum silver now, having Serpentis be grey looks way too much like them. I'm not kidding. They look like T1 ships, not Pirate ships.

Make the Serpentis ships black again and keep the shadowy Serpentis space-camo. Then they can be done.

Team TriLambda, Serpentis must be black! There will be an absolute firestorm over this and you know it just as well as I do. There will be a firestorm over the Angels ships looking bleached as well, but I don't know what to suggest about those. Maybe the tan base color needs to be darkened or something, but Angel ships overall just look wrong.

First and foremost, however, I must implore that you make Serpentis ships black again like they should be!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#268 - 2014-12-04 04:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
When's the ship painting feature going to be released? Then we can at least manually correct appearances post-Rhea...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#269 - 2014-12-04 06:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
So I downloaded the latest SiSi update and took another look at the ships.
Overall, this is an improvement from the last round with a few noted exceptions: All Pirate ships (including Serpentis, Mordus, Guristas, Sansha. Angel, Blood Raider and Sister) are not an improvement. Specifically:

• The new Guristas camouflage colour scheme looks worse than the old one. Surely with the thousands of camouflage textures out there this could be updated to something relevant?
• Since when did the Nestor get chrome plating? Eh, no one flies it anyway...
The Machariel and Vindicator have completely and totally lost all appeal. The Machariel now looks like a cheap Guristas knockoff and we've already touched on the Vindicator's change from black to silver. The Vindicator needs to return to its black origins and the Angel ships should actually return to their 'tigershark' blacklist mottled colour scheme from days past.
• Sansha ships lost the cool rainbow-ish colour effect; looks flat and drab now. I can't emphasize enough how these all need to return to the original designs.
• Blood Raider ships just look flat and "meh". Since the textures are being re-done anyway why not make these a matte black with metallic crimson blood spatters and red running lights?
• Mordus Legion; the textures are improved, and the off-black is not bad although why we can't make this a 'stealth' black ship is beyond me. Now if only CCP Rise would un-suck the Bharghest…

Are the new battleship skins finally being released in Rhea?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#270 - 2014-12-04 11:05:35 UTC
Cassie Celestis wrote:
Would have to agree on the Amarr ships case.

Most of them need some recoloring/retexturing work done. Under most lighting effects the colors look either dirty or give out a paper-plastic feel. Hell its as if the Empire run out of armor plates and used dirty paper sheets or something. Roll


Cardboard and duct tape. \Big smile/
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#271 - 2014-12-04 11:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalashaska Adam
PBR needs to be put off, and by put off I mean scrapped.

Please don't destroy the games visuals like this.

It is an entirely unnecessary downgrade.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#272 - 2014-12-04 17:02:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Harvey James wrote:
does the new blackbird model not have a visible drone bay as all new builds are getting?
same question about he incursus hull?

There's a tiny drone bay to the aft below the engines on the blackbird.

Incursus doesn't seem to have a drone bay modeled.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#273 - 2014-12-04 17:04:19 UTC
Shalashaska Adam wrote:
PBR needs to be put off, and by put off I mean scrapped.

Please don't destroy the games visuals like this.

It is an entirely unnecessary downgrade.

Do you honestly think CCP will scrap this feature, having done so much work on it?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Cassie Celestis
Doomheim
#274 - 2014-12-04 17:10:12 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Cardboard and duct tape. \Big smile/


Duct tape?? A Minmatar conspiracy! They are taking over the empire.. duct tape by duct tape.


Shalashaska Adam wrote:
PBR needs to be put off, and by put off I mean scrapped.

Please don't destroy the games visuals like this.

It is an entirely unnecessary downgrade.


A bit harsh to call it a downgrade. It has the potential to look epic (gief HiRes textures please) just doesn't seem to fit well atm. Interesting thing is, in most cases it looks as if someone adjusted the brightness too high. I'm thinking the shaders got revamped as have the ships to handle the PBR, but the light source affecting the actual ship image we finally get didn't undergo any changes(?). Maybe its not a matter of PBR entirely but of specific light source values.

Still, give it some time. I'm sure the devs are getting some feedback and sleeping on it. Plus its a change for something better. In any case we got whips in Amarr if needs be.. Twisted
Niiro Kallstrom
Alternative Management Solutions
#275 - 2014-12-04 17:29:46 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Jesus Christ, and I thought CCP couldn't sink any lower. To have gotten that picture, they have to have programmed that feature into the engine at some point - and yet they won't release it to us?


Overdramatic much? We're seeing some of the best expansions in recent times and you're having a hissy fit because you can't have your googles just the way you like when playing dress up? Roll
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#276 - 2014-12-04 17:34:57 UTC
Best expansions? Exaggerating much, eh? There's so many areas in the game which are still broken and CCP has nothing better to do than to add more things they need to take care of, like whatever they planned with this bright star in the region next to Jove space. Instead of concentrating their efforts on fixing the game, they rush to make it bigger, more convoluted.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#277 - 2014-12-04 17:42:19 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Best expansions? Exaggerating much, eh? There's so many areas in the game which are still broken and CCP has nothing better to do than to add more things they need to take care of, like whatever they planned with this bright star in the region next to Jove space. Instead of concentrating their efforts on fixing the game, they rush to make it bigger, more convoluted.

This guy gets it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#278 - 2014-12-04 17:47:17 UTC
Niiro Kallstrom wrote:
Overdramatic much? We're seeing some of the best expansions in recent times and you're having a hissy fit because you can't have your googles just the way you like when playing dress up? Roll

>spend the time programing a feature that would make an unfinished and broken aspect of the game (the character creator) very slightly better
>don't release it to the players
>have people defend your bad decision for free

This is why CCP's able to get away with things.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#279 - 2014-12-04 17:55:31 UTC
Cassie Celestis wrote:

A bit harsh to call it a downgrade


Not at all - from the looks of things on sisi atm, that is exactly what it is.
Niiro Kallstrom
Alternative Management Solutions
#280 - 2014-12-04 17:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Niiro Kallstrom
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Niiro Kallstrom wrote:
Overdramatic much? We're seeing some of the best expansions in recent times and you're having a hissy fit because you can't have your googles just the way you like when playing dress up? Roll

>spend the time programing a feature that would make an unfinished and broken aspect of the game (the character creator) very slightly better
>don't release it to the players
>have people defend your bad decision for free

This is why CCP's able to get away with things.


As a result of your last post, I've changed my position on this matter entirely. We should be able to wear our goggles as advertised!!!

I've also just remembered why I visited this thread in the first place. The Machariel does indeed look very faded and flat. I agree with the notion that PBR should be delayed till the Art team can get it working optimally.