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Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-11-17 14:14:13 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:



First learn to read and then practice some more trolling, then come back to me



I see you moving goalposts just to prove your point. My reading comprehension is rather exceptional.


Provide us any kind of compelling statement as to why one person ISBoxing is better than 15 individuals in the gatecamp situation described.


Your raw opinion that ISBoxer is not good isn't any sort of argument. And keep the ad homs to yourself, "Prince".

Call me Joe.
Kendra Katana
Slugcat Hive Intelligence
Lucky Starbase Syndicate
#42 - 2014-11-17 14:26:28 UTC
Actually, Isboxing bombers ARE an issue, hence CCP tried to address it with proposed changes in their last patch (Bombers deckloaking each other as they used to). Setting up a bomb run, launching bombs and then warping out perfectly timed gives a multibox user an advantage over 15 different people that will be affected by lags, different timing and so on. So no, isboxer has an advantage when in comes to a bombing run. (Again, devs acknowledged so).

But in the described scenario, a gate camp, it really doesn't matter. It didn't give them any advantage so I see no point in whining about it.

Carry on.

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Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-11-17 14:31:38 UTC
The problem is not ISBoxer. The problem is certain activities, in both PVP and PVE categories, lend themselves too easily to automation.

Matias Otero describes it well in his F&I Thread.
A discussion on Isboxing and the consequences of linear gameplay.

Call me Joe.
Ama Scelesta
#44 - 2014-11-17 14:47:30 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
The problem is not ISBoxer. The problem is certain activities, in both PVP and PVE categories, lend themselves too easily to automation.

Matias Otero describes it well in his F&I Thread.
A discussion on Isboxing and the consequences of linear gameplay.

Don't forget the importance of scalability. If the activity doesn't scale well with bringing more people, it isn't worth to multibox in the first place. When people ask activities, that are equally good to fly solo or with multiple friends, they're also asking to boost multiboxing whether they intend to or not.
Prince Kobol
#45 - 2014-11-17 14:47:42 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Longtom McGregor wrote:
I've been around for a long time. This is my first post on these forums - ever.

I don't generally complain, but today, I saw a guy camping a gate with a friend, and between them they had FIFTEEN multiboxed characters. Of course, they easily slaughtering anything that came in or out of the gate.

With that kind of money, skills don't matter. Ships don't matter. "Pay to win," indeed.

Now, I'm not trying to complain, but this just made me sad. When I say sad, I mean really, down to my toes sad.

Are we going to have to get a minimum of four accounts and learn how to multibox in order to enjoy the game? Is the difference between success or failure not by skills but by why owns the most payed accounts?

Has it sunk as low as this?


now tell me, how is this any different to 15 bored people camping that gate?

oh wait, it isn't.
move along.


Is 1 person controlling 15 bombers using ISboxer exactly the same as 15 individual pilots flying 15 bombers?

yeah, 15 bombers launch 15 bombs.



Except that somebody ISboxer will launch all their bombers in perfect unison and will be able to warp out in perfect unison but that would not be convenient for your argument :)
Prince Kobol
#46 - 2014-11-17 14:48:31 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:



First learn to read and then practice some more trolling, then come back to me



I see you moving goalposts just to prove your point. My reading comprehension is rather exceptional.


Provide us any kind of compelling statement as to why one person ISBoxing is better than 15 individuals in the gatecamp situation described.


Your raw opinion that ISBoxer is not good isn't any sort of argument. And keep the ad homs to yourself, "Prince".


Reading is moving the goalposts.. I can see why you have problems Big smile
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-11-17 14:51:44 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
yeah, 15 bombers launch 15 bombs.



Except that somebody ISboxer will launch all their bombers in perfect unison and will be able to warp out in perfect unison but that would not be convenient for your argument :)



Apparently a verbal timer over voice comms and fleet warp is a thing for multiple pilots.


How would that be any less effective than an ISBoxer?


Call me Joe.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#48 - 2014-11-17 14:54:47 UTC
Not this again.

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Dave Stark
#49 - 2014-11-17 15:01:09 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Except that somebody ISboxer will launch all their bombers in perfect unison and will be able to warp out in perfect unison but that would not be convenient for your argument :)


so will people that listen.

if you don't know people that listen, that's your issue and nothing to do with isboxer.
Dave Stark
#50 - 2014-11-17 15:01:59 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
yeah, 15 bombers launch 15 bombs.



Except that somebody ISboxer will launch all their bombers in perfect unison and will be able to warp out in perfect unison but that would not be convenient for your argument :)



Apparently a verbal timer over voice comms and fleet warp is a thing for multiple pilots.


How would that be any less effective than an ISBoxer?




wouldn't be convenient for his argument, etc.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-11-17 15:06:31 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Not this again.




Hello there, you lovely thing.


~looks at my jacket~


Mistletoe alert....

Blink

Call me Joe.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-11-17 15:12:43 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Leannor wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:

Also, you get 3 pilots per account and gate camps don't assemble in mere minutes.



clever and effective ones do actually. Their scout sees a scout come through, ... then the rest warp to gate (or decloak) and boom.



A scout is no scout without safes and no dscan.





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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-11-17 15:17:21 UTC
You CAN'T remove multiboxing. I know, I hate it too, but without it, we'd lose lots of PVP-generating content in the form of Incursions. How will Sansha Kuvekei purify New Eden with all those alts of his if not for multiboxing? You'd ruin the WHOLE THING!!!

Heil Sansha!!

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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
#54 - 2014-11-17 15:27:51 UTC
> skills don't matter

> ships don't matter

> pay to win

confirming EVE has turned F2P and embraced P2W microtransactions.

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Jason Xado
Doomheim
#55 - 2014-11-17 15:31:39 UTC
If you simply think of EvE as an MMO-RTS, then all your objections go away.

To each his own in my humble opinion.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#56 - 2014-11-17 15:34:39 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Adrie Atticus wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Mocam wrote:
If you want to get deeper in, get more accounts.

.


And thats the problem with this game.

Wana be better?...buy more accounts
wana be unstoppable? buy multibox software

And this is not just about "to have some advantage" in game (like offgrid booster or something). In case of pvp, for example bombing runs in bombers, multibox software have a waaay too huge advantage. In fact, being a human, piloting your multiple ships, is a major disadvantage.

Dont ignore the elephant in the room... Multibox software must die in EVE.


You make it sound like Eve is a single-player game. I think you need to re-check on that and go wreck faces with friends.


WTF are you talking about?

Because im talking about how MULTIBOX software used by SINGLE PLAYER has an advantage over MULTIPLE REAL PLAYERS...

Not about how single player cannot stand 10 man fleet.

In this case for example bombing runs.. Running them by ISboxer is more effective over "real players" because of the synchronization of every your action (decloak, bomb, warp)

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Dave Stark
#57 - 2014-11-17 15:43:10 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Because im talking about how MULTIBOX software used by SINGLE PLAYER has an advantage over MULTIPLE REAL PLAYERS...


except this statement has been proven false every time it has been presented since people started whining that they were poor and envious of people who could afford multiple accounts.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#58 - 2014-11-17 15:43:57 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Because im talking about how MULTIBOX software used by SINGLE PLAYER has an advantage over MULTIPLE REAL PLAYERS...


except this statement has been proven false every time it has been presented since people started whining that they were poor and envious of people who could afford multiple accounts.


Except for bombers.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-11-17 15:47:15 UTC
TharOkha wrote:


WTF are you talking about?

Because im talking about how MULTIBOX software used by SINGLE PLAYER has an advantage over MULTIPLE REAL PLAYERS...

Not about how single player cannot stand 10 man fleet.

In this case for example bombing runs.. Running them by ISboxer is more effective over "real players" because of the synchronization of every your action (decloak, bomb, warp)


Clearly, you've never had the pleasure of flying with Bomber's Bar. There's only so much you can do with a bomber, multiboxing or not. Let's try to keep it real, and either elaborate on your claim, or stop clutching at straws.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#60 - 2014-11-17 15:47:44 UTC
Look at all the funny people who think 15 bombs at once will do anything more than 5-6 bombs worth of damage.

Also, CCP specifically said the bomber changes had nothing to do with ISBoxer usage. But they could be lying to you, so don't ever believe anything unless it supports your ideas. Then it's probably true.


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