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RSS Combat Scanner Probes
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#1 - 2014-11-15 23:33:57 UTC
Dear CCP,

please give us RSS Combat Scanner Probes. Thank you!

Bye
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#2 - 2014-11-16 02:07:47 UTC
No thoughts on adding them.

Just wondering why you think they need to be added?
And what capabilities should they have that are not available currently?
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#3 - 2014-11-16 02:14:43 UTC
I for one see no major reason why not. Other than that I feel slightly sorry for people who run links for me in fleet fights job getting a bit harder.
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#4 - 2014-11-16 23:09:02 UTC
For one, CCP introduced skills that improve a ship's sensor strength, thereby making it harder to be scanned down.

There are other good reason, but I don't want to give them away all at once Lol
TheMercenaryKing
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-11-17 00:06:24 UTC
RRS probes offer 2.3% better sensor str at a cost of 1/4 maximum flight time vs sister probes
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2014-11-17 01:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Ab'del Abu wrote:
For one, CCP introduced skills that improve a ship's sensor strength, thereby making it harder to be scanned down.

There are other good reason, but I don't want to give them away all at once Lol

Sorry I was not more clear on this, I did not mean to ask about your personal tricks only what they difference in the probes themselves was.

TheMercenaryKing wrote:
RRS probes offer 2.3% better sensor str at a cost of 1/4 maximum flight time vs sister probes

Thank you for the information, that was all I was looking for..

The RSS core have a base strength just 1 point higher than the Sisters, if the combats were the same would that extremely small addition really make any noticeable difference?
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#7 - 2014-11-17 04:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hopelesshobo
Donnachadh wrote:

Thank you for the information, that was all I was looking for..

The RSS core have a base strength just 1 point higher than the Sisters, if the combats were the same would that extremely small addition really make any noticeable difference?


Without actually running any kind of numbers, it could make it where you no longer need implants to scan anyone down.

EDIT: Scanning was also buffed because you cannot make probe immune ships anymore.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#8 - 2014-11-17 04:15:44 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Ab'del Abu wrote:
For one, CCP introduced skills that improve a ship's sensor strength, thereby making it harder to be scanned down.

There are other good reason, but I don't want to give them away all at once Lol

Sorry I was not more clear on this, I did not mean to ask about your personal tricks only what they difference in the probes themselves was.

TheMercenaryKing wrote:
RRS probes offer 2.3% better sensor str at a cost of 1/4 maximum flight time vs sister probes

Thank you for the information, that was all I was looking for..

The RSS core have a base strength just 1 point higher than the Sisters, if the combats were the same would that extremely small addition really make any noticeable difference?

The answer is "it depends"
A 1 point increase in final strength is fairly reasonable.
Now, lets look at a commonish use case, without any of the major differences.
Astrometrics 5 in a t3 with subsystem 4 and a t2 probe launcher pushes this theoretical 1 point out to ~1.8.
Its not always gonna balance on a single number, and the numbers as they sit are setu up so that skills rapidly push you up one of the steep parts of the curve, so any improvement is going to be magnified.

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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#9 - 2014-11-17 09:18:12 UTC
I think RSS Combat Scanner Probes would offer an interesting choice to people that do a lot of scanning, i.e. wormhole players. Most people who know what they're doing use combat scanner probes not only for scanning ships and structures, but the normal signatures as well, so these would be extremely popular amongst a certain group of people.

I don't believe they would also become a thing for those casual k-space fleet-combat probers because the probes would simply be too expensive.
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#10 - 2014-11-19 16:22:27 UTC
BUMP MAKE IT HAPPEN
Ix Method
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-11-19 16:25:17 UTC
This would be a nice way to give a (vaguely) interesting choice at the end of the epic arc. RSS Probes or 25m is a pretty **** choice as is, Core or Combat?

Yeah, +1

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-11-19 17:23:35 UTC
Ab'del Abu wrote:
I don't believe X would also become a thing for those casual k-space fleet-combat people because X would simply be too expensive.

Do I even need to explain what is wrong with this statement?
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#13 - 2014-11-19 17:55:39 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Ab'del Abu wrote:
I don't believe X would also become a thing for those casual k-space fleet-combat people because X would simply be too expensive.

Do I even need to explain what is wrong with this statement?


To put things in perspective: RSS core scanner probes offer a ~2% bonus for 100m/probe set. And you usually have at least two of those. I figure, RSS combat scanner probes would be very popular amongst wormholers and easily exceed that price.

I don't see large coalition fleets resorting to deadspace tanks even though they may offer a 20-30% bonus just because they can afford it (theoretically). Have I missed your point?

Besides, I was very clear that I made an assumption for casual k-space dwellers that combat probe every once in a blue moon. Ofc RSS combat scanner probes and such would be used in some instances ... and why shouldn't they. A couple 100m more expensive killmail for a 2% seems well justified from a balance standpoint, don't you think?
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#14 - 2014-11-19 18:10:46 UTC
Ab'del Abu wrote:
Dear CCP,

please give us RSS Combat Scanner Probes. Thank you!

Bye

I think I have a handful on my inactive alt from missions

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#15 - 2014-11-20 13:16:22 UTC
Hello there CCP pls comment