Wormholes

You seem to like analogies (though yours are weak and sometimes confusing) so here....


I can't speak for the president of the united states, but I can tell you the united states doesn't like isis cutting heads off of it's citizens.

The idea was brought here to give Eve-o members the opportunity to see if there were any unforeseen issues.

I am aware that some may feel they are losing some potential advantage, whether real or imagined.

I am aware that it is a change and certain players are resistant to any change whether good bad or indifferent.

I am aware that the majority of the posts would be "Get wrecked noob", "You want a space pony too?" " You are just doing it bad!" and players telling me exactly what CCP would do. and the other traditional responses we all expect here.

And most of those respondents would not actually consider the issue.

That aside, I am not sure whether to be encourage or disappointed by the reaction.

is it that there is no valid reason for the proposal not to proceed? or that people are just not interested or engaged enough to consider the issue itself?

Those who have chosen to address the proposal, have seemed generally positive.
So I guess that is the view we should take forward.

not sure if its possible but what if they increased the speed to go yellow in the scan threshold? that would let you ignore unwanted signatures much faster while still having to scan them down normally if you want them.

personally i approve of improving scan speeds, i dont have max scan skills but in my covops ship it can take over an hour to scan 40 signatures in a chain even if i am only looking for relic and wormholes, ignoring the rest.

After reading the whole thread I think one thing has been glossed over. Is it true that the only reason to EVER, I mean literally f*cking EVER, use Core probes is when you don't have an Expanded Probe Launcher? I must have missed something when they changed scanning, I don't remember Combat probes ever being usable for normal signatures.

If using combat probes gets you a 6-8 second artificial timer and core probes gets you a 10-15 second artificial timer then I understand why the OP is upset. Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but that's what I took away from this thread. I learned to scan the old way, I mean the really old way with bookmarks and various kinds of probes. So I know what it's like to do tedious scanning. The current system is great, but if I'm slowing myself down I want to know.

If combat probes are the solution to "this is slow" then I think that's fine, I'll just start using them. If I'm misunderstanding something and combat probes can't be used for signatures then I think there is no harm in shaving a few seconds off the artificial scan delay time to accommodate the increase in signatures we have and will continue to experience. I mean don't get rid of it entirely, just clip it a little. This is a repeated activity and the time savings will add up. And no, that would not make scanning too easy or just like being able to warp to any sig without scanning. ITT there are some ridiculous exaggerations of equivalency that don't come close to making the points they were trying to make.

Every single post the OP made was about these few seconds, there is no ambiguity in that. He said that with a lot of new signatures around it would be nice if the artificially inflated, non-skill-controlled, portion of the scan time were lessened. Adding new holes, new data/relic sites, and new statics has added connections, increasing overall scanning time. These are facts. Now maybe he went too far asking for that entire portion to be removed, maybe that invited some of the responses he got. But the fact remains that recent changes have increased the time it takes to scan down multiple systems, even if only paying attention to WH's once you know the type.

I don't think it's unreasonable to point that out and ask if a change can be made to counter that. For as much as people in this thread said they understood what he meant, here we are several pages in and it doesn't seem like people actually did get it. Meanwhile, without this thread I wouldn't be questioning my use of core probes. If somebody could confirm that combat probes are faster and just as effective that would be great, but I can test it and report back if everybody else already bailed on the thread.

ok?

This brings up a good point.

Could people here state whether they're referring to scanning a system solo, or as part of a crew that scans a system together?

I say this because you would probably spend the "beep beep wait" time updating your mapper/friends about what you're scanning. That would explain the lack of perceived downtime IMHO.

Generally, I'm always scanning a system solo. I think this is relevant.

If I scan a system with a partner I spend time coordinating so we don't repeat work. This does take up that time in between just fine.

When I'm solo there's no need, I just mass-update the sig list before I leave and everything's kosher.

Just a thought - might explain some of the discrepancies in perceived downtime.

hey mate, if it's taking you an hour to scan 40 sigs i'm going to assume it's a technique/skill issue.
contrary to popular belief, i'm all for helping the newer players out so here, maybe this will help you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TisDb8c2aS4

it's old and semi out of date (scanning is far easier now) but the method, probe layout and general principles have not changed.
the scanner I used in the video IS maxed out so dont expect to be as fast, you'll probably need 1 more pass on each sig on average, or you can set the inner probes to 1au which will give you similar hits but deviation will be a bigger issue.

PS:

I scan alone and in groups but regardless of which case it is I always scan every sig since it's generally easier and faster than actually coordinating the work *shrug*.

So I logged in and scanned a sig. There were to delays. The first was while the probes moved from A to B. No logic foul there. The second was while the probes did their probe thing. No logic foul there either.

For space realism vs boring time wasting I'll point out that in general, the probes have to move several AU to get into position. They then scan various ranges (in AU) of space and report it back to you. You are AU away from the probes that are reporting back to you. Following??

1 AU is the distance it takes light to travel in one year. So you're probes are travelling master than the speed of light and reporting back to you faster than the speed of light. Expecting all this to happen faster is just further bending an already artificially bent reality.

I don't see any artificial delay in anything. Your probes are travelling light years and reporting back over distances in light years. You should just be thankful CCP gives us what they do. Heck if they gave us row boats, we'd still be on grid with our starting noob station.

All I'm saying is find an actual problem for them to deal with. If you want to think of it in more realistic terms. I'm in the US and the server is in Iceland. It really takes real time to get my scan request from my basement to there and back. The 'delay' you are experiencing may be because scanning data requests/returns have a lower priority in some CCP que where shooting stuffs gets a higher priority.

That gets us back to the question I asked yesterday. How many no opinions do you need to come to terms with this being something that CCP doesn't need to pursue.... ergo you will let this go as an idea that will never be implemented... thence being able to move on to other things.

I'm just looking for a reasonable number where you will begin working on something in the realm of productive change.