Wormholes

No, like I said it's "move - resize - scan - paste previous result to mapper / type description on mapper / ignore results from scanner / warp to previous result / warp to a moon to check out a POS / etc - repeat".

Since you are new to scanning you might not have the workflow down yet, but for others the cycle time is pretty much irrelevant and rarely idle time.

All I'm saying is that reducing the cycle time wouldn't result in concrete reduction in the time it takes to scout a chain.

I use the wait time to update the last sig I reconciled in my mapping tool. Learn to multi task and use that time constructively.

She's right insofar as the biggest time sink with regard to sig scanning isn't the scanning itself, it's the bookmark creating and labeling and all the updating in your sig tracker of choice.

If you improved scanning itself by half, the impact on time spent would be pretty minimal. The only people who'd see the benefit would be solo players, or fleets who were just roaming around randomly, not looking to keep up a chain (good luck!).

I would be much happier if, instead of doing this, CCP brought some of this into the game interface. Right now, for all the formidable electronics our ships are supposed to have on board, they're pretty dumb, and amnesiac to boot.

Why didn't you just start with this, which would actually be an excellent change, rather than some garbage about removing a delay that has a very real reason for existing?

People have already pointed it out to you but i'm going to say it again; you just want scanning to be easier.
You're denying it repeatedly i know, calling this a 'quality of life' improvement, but come on.
The only thing that matters when it comes to difficulty of scanning is sigs scanned per time.
I'f 1 method lets you scan 2 sigs a minute and another lets you scan 4 sigs a minute, well then the second method is twice as good/twice as easy.
you saying you want the cycle time removed just means you want scanning to be faster which means more sigs scanned in the same amount of time, ie; easier.

what you are failing to see is that the cycle time on probes puts a hard limit on the maximum efficiency of a scanner which needs to be there!
right now the cycle time is 4-4.5 seconds.
lets say scanner A needs 1 pass on each sig in a system because he knows what he is doing and is using a probe setup that allows for it, scanner B needs 2 passes because he's using the default probe layout and scanner C needs 3 passes because it's his first time in wspace and he's a giant scrub.
with the cycle time, scanner A is twice as fast as B and 3 times as fast as C. this is a significant difference that he has earned by having the skills and technique down for scanning.
without the cycle time he will still be faster by only by the fraction of a second it takes the other 2 scanners to adjust their probes since their secondary passes are instant which hugely reduces he edge.

How if this fair?
Giving everyone the ability to launch 8 probes was a huge mistake that already vastly reduces the advantage a maxed scanner has and removing the cycle time would make it literally pointless to train ANY astro skill past 3.

Scanning is one of the few areas (outside of PVP) where player skill actually matters a lot any youre trying to get rid of that. Just stop.

PS: Contrary to what seems to be popular opinion in the last few posts, the cycle time IS the biggest time sink for a good scanner and that's exactly how it should be. If it's NOT your biggest time sink, work on your scanning skills until it is.
(Cmon people, adding sigs to siggy is literally a single copy/paste once youve scanned every sig in system...)

Your ignorance is making my head hurt.

WHATEVER the delay actual time is, it NEEDS to be there!!!
The fact that it IS there helps GOOD scanners and makes scanning relevant!!
Go refer to my above post if you're STILL not clear on why.

You know what would be best? just remove all delays and make sigs warpable without scanning! I mean, problem solved right?! no delay, no tedious 'needing to put in effort'.
fkn kids these days i swear to god...

I get exactly what delay you mean and i'm telling you in no uncertain terms that the hard limit on scanning time MUST exist.

tr;dr: your proposal is BAD and you should feel BAD.

No Jack, I do not agree, first you inform us that the total delay is 4.x seconds and that is right and what it should be, once it is demonstrated it is a minimum of 9 seconds and more if the probes actually move, then that is right, that is as it should be.
Your position is the longer the delay the more advantage you have.
Each new hole added each new signature, increases your advantage,
I understand that.
I do not believe however that that is a reasonable position.
But you do, and I respect that and I do not expect to change your mind,
but I will not be persuaded that that is the right choice either, it is not in my opinion good for the wider community.
Hence My proposal.

I accept that our opinions are different.

#ImOut

Here is where you are wrong. It's not a problem. It's an inconvenience. Further, it's an inconvenience to you and a very small number of others.

See... a problem is where something is broken and doesn't work correctly. Scanning isn't broken. There isn't a problem with it. Here's the 'real time waster' warping. You should be able to R-click in space and be there. This whole artificial time waster to simulate getting from A to B doesn't serve any purpose other than to add boredome to the game.

And if we're going to save time, then let's get rid of scanning all together. I mean... if I'm going to get the signature to 100% anyway, then anything between immediately and when I currently get to it is wasting my valuable time.

WH space would be much better if we removed all the time wasters. Here's my vision for a perfect wh experience.

1. Jump into wh (which has a dashboard display showing exact time and mass left on the wh)
2. Gaze at my overview (custom set up to display all points in the wh that interest me)
3. R-click on desired object.
4. Instantly arrive at said object to interact with it as I please.
5. Move on to my next instant gratification whim.

Possible enhancements going forward would be:

1. Transfering sleeper loot and salvage directly to your cargo upon arriving at a site to save the time wasted shooting them.
(Once POS get fixed it could go right to the appropriate CHA tab)
2. ORE sites - just click on the roid of interest and your cargo hold is full.
(again once POS are fixed it could auto refine and end up in your selected assembly array if you have a refining array on line)
3. Gas sites - R-click and it's in cargo
(again again post POS fix it could go right to the output silo of your polymer reactor sets up - has to all be online of course)

I have soooooo many time saving ideas..... this is going to be awesome! CCP please fix all these problems that are forcing me to waste my valuable time playing the game.

this thread is still going? ......

Well, I am sure your opinion will carry the weight CCP decide it has.

Your desire for your opinion to have greater importance than theirs is interesting.

I am sure they will take that into account. When they make THEIR judgement as to the value of the idea.

But people making decisions for CCP, and deciding what must be forever unchanged because (insert random player/playergroup in here) says that is what CCP want!

" I/We say so! " is not exactly working out so well for them, is it.

Or have you not been watching the patch notes and dev blogs?

Let me know how that works out for you.

But there again, never mind, I will probably see the answer to that question there for myself.