EVE General Discussion

Of all the changes in Rhea, the removal of medical clones is the only change I like.

The new UI looks like crap.
Thera and the new wormholes seem gimicky, and once the new feature smell wears off, probably isn't going to drive much content beyond the already experienced wormholers and a few NPC null corps.
The new destroyer is an interesting concept, but is likely going to cost far more than I am willing to spend on a ship to lose, as all the recently released new ships have been.
The Bowhead falls far short of it's potential, and in it's current incarnation is little more than a gank magnet.
The redesigned ships are okay, but since I fly none of those hulls, it has no impact on me.

But the ability to jump into an empty clone, slap on a hero tackle frig, and not give 2 fuxs about repeatedly getting my face melted because my clone no longer costs more than my ship... yeah, that'll be fun.

Troll or not.

**** this World of Spaceships ****.

I started playing eve because it was challenging and vast not because I wanted my little pony online.

EvE need to be an unforgiving *****.
It needs to tease you to then kick you in the nuts
Punish you for every little mistake you make
Give you anything you ever wanted and then break it infront of your eyes.

Rhea is a great patch but I am getting tired of all this "Easymode"-Crap inviting 9 year old COD-Players into the game.

I agree with that.

I remember eve before pegi 12 when corpses were naked.
This easy mode **** is ruining the game.
The 9 year old cod players will force out the older players.
Eve can never truly be adapted to mass market appeal and that's not the fault of the game, it's the fault of CCP who have encouraged years of HTFU amongst their existing player base before realising that that was the number 1 reason why it wasn't beating wow in subscriber numbers.

They can't change that without alienating the folk who like the HTFU stuff which is a problem as they pay the bills, generate the headlines and make for fine marketing material, hence the slow degrees of change as they try to keep them on board paying the bills whilst they try to easy mode eve enough that the 9 year old cod players stick around.

It won't happen though not even when free to play toons hit the server, because bitter vets like me, will make their lives hell and simply tell them to HTFU.

QFT!

Eve has made it 11 years being a harsh, HTFU, kick you in the balls type of MMO. It was always a niche game, not a mass-appeal game. It's very frustrating to see CCP basically killing their own game by alienating their playerbase who have kept them going this long in the hopes of gaining more players in a "kinder, genter" Eve.

Ive been playing MMO's sinve the old text-based MUDs, then 2D cartoony ones like The Realm.. I remember being shocked and angry that this new game here called Everquest was going to require you to buy one of them thar newfangled 3D Video Cards!

My point is that I noticed years ago that most if not all MMO's have a rather predicable life-cycle, and literally every game I ever quit was because the things that drew me to the game in the first place got changed and hosed by Devs who tried to sell everyone on something half-assed rather than keeping their product "pure" and selling to their dedicated customers.

I used to feel some pride in being an Eve player. Now it's just more ho-hum.

This discussion is not about HTFU or people forgetting to upgrade a clone and not being able to cover the cost. If you think, that removing the clone costs only has these effects, then you truly cannot think outside the boundaries of your limiting head.

What removing the clone costs in reality will accomplish, is getting older players out in space more frequently and in smaller ships. This will improve EVE overall, since there will be more stuff to shoot.

I will never understand risk averse players. But undocking a 10M frigate just to lose a 100M clone, is not risk averse. That is just stupid. Yes, you can get your pod out 99% in lowsec and highsec. But what about nullsec? You cannot just say, "Well getting your pod out is easy", when you are sitting in a bubble. Come on guys, use your freaking head.

This "Save our Clones Initiative" is just for people who have a hard time with changes, or are smartbombing gatecampiners in Rancer. For improvement of EVE in general, you should welcome this change with open arms.

I'm all for having risk when losing your ships, don't get me wrong. But that risk should be tied to your ship. I will welcome skill loss on capital and subcapital ships (just as with T3s) with open arms. I'd welcome decreasing, or even removing the ISK from insurance. I'd welcome changes that increase the costs of ships. But you all cry for risk, but if any of these changes would be introduced, we'd have another river of tears coming.

Now, where can we sign up for a petition to get this change out even sooner?

This change is great. I have about 188m sp and a new clone costs me more than 50m isk. I mostly do pvp in lowsec so I rarely lose my pod but if I lived in null I'd hate to spend 50 mil just on clones.


Good job CCP

So, how's that harsh reality type sandbox working out for you?

I am enjoying all the complaints about the move toward both risk and loss being entirely player-generated. You choose your ship; someone else chooses to shoot it out from under you. Oh, no, the sandbox is dead!

there will still be clones that cost something. just won't be loss of subscription fees.

whoa suddenly a mashie saldana

so does this mean i can haz your stuffz? o.O

btw, #savethelance

Lance

seriously, #savethelance