Wormholes

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

That's what the watchlist is supposed to be for, more than anything. So I can be like "oh, my friend just logged in, now we can X"

or:

"oh, that jerk just logged in, now we can do X to him"

Either way the watchlist leads to activity, which is why it's a good thing. If you can't handle that, then I'm sorry for you. Maybe you need more neutral alts or something. vOv

I've seen you post this twice now in response, and have decided that your egocentrism is so strong that you seriously can't tell how you made this thread about you from the very first post. This isn't a thread about mechanics, if it was, it would have been posted as such or in the correct forum, this is a thread about you, and you only.

I'll save you the trouble of analyzing your words, as I'm feeling generous this morning, but count how many times in the first post you use personal pronouns (I, me, my, mine). In fact I'll do a quick total for you, in your colossal wall of tears here's the rough count:

I (20)
I'm (14)
me (11)
my (15)
mine (1)

How the hell is this not about you?

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i cant stand pos trash

The topic is in the first two paragraphs and the op was written from my point of view. This is elementary.

So my op was a bit emotional it's true and blood in the water naturally attracted certain indiviuals. The pity party rocked up to share their advice some of which I've already taken and some I've discarded. But by and large the topic has been avoided. People aren't showing a reason why you should be allowed to use watchlisting offensively like an intel tool. There's even enduring confusion over terms for levels of involvement incredibly.

This is as much a cultural issue as it is a game mechanics one, obviously, since people who are complete strangers have decided to take it so personally. I took it personally, too, at the time but now it's time for action.

because you can also use it defensively.

Once this thread dies, can someone evict him so that we can get another shittier post like this one?

Also, watchlisted OP and WTB > entrance to his hole.

You realise that is a false equivalency don't you..

Like the gun control fallacy. I do use WL for specific hostile individuals but that's exactly the problem. Now we're getting philosophical.

They want to see you explode, and they likely want your tears. You seem to be doing well on the tears side of things. Did you do something particularly offensive to warrant a long term camping campaign against you? If your corp is too small to be able to put up resistance to them, or too poor to pay someone else to do it for you, then you should fall back on boring them out. Simply go somewhere else for a while, mission in highsec, pvp in low, whatever. A few days time they'll be gone again. Sure, they'll see you are online, but not in your hole. If they have a vendetta against you then you can expect them to come and find you again, at which point just move again to a different part of the galaxy. No-one can be bothered with that for too long, assuming you haven't insulted their mother or something.

Sure, the watchlist thing is kinda overpowered, but the hunted have a far bigger advantage over the hunters. Actual targeted bounty hunting isn't actually a thing for a reason, it's pretty hard to locate and kill a specific target, even with location agents.

But one thing is for sure, sitting in your POS crying about watchlists and not playing the game is basicly a victory for those harassing you. This thread alone might be enough to encourage them to keep on doing it.

Well, that's several massive walls of whining...

Anyway, independently of the reasons of the OP i would like to see the watch list not working in w-space as well but also i would love to see it being removed in k-space too.

Of course i am using the watch list atm, cause it works and is very powerful and others will use it against me. Very similar to the local channel in k-space, isn't it?

I don't think it should be removed. It should be limited to someone who accepts your watchlist request, probably linked to the 'Send notification' checkbox already in place when you add a contact.

In recompense, locator agents should be changed so they can will tell you if a person (who does not accept your request) is online even if in a wormhole. But there is a cost associated with that so it is not instant, free, recordable intel.