Wormholes

Ok real talk time.

First of all **** you to those who will inevitably say something about me personally for posting this. And a pre-emptive **** you to those who will come out with platitudes like "just deal with it" or "do it yourself".

Let's talk about watchlisting.

To those remarkable individuals who stumbled on to my tower I thank you for driving home to me how utterly ridiculously broken this particular thing is. Some of us here might remember me making a post about mobile depots showing your name. This is one of those things. This is one of those situations where having your name plastered on everything in space is a really ******* bad idea particularly in this scenario. My tower and the ships inside its forcefield have my name on them. The logical conlusion to draw here is that upon finding me you watchlist me. And then from that day forwards you will always know when I'm online. Now right now there is an anathema in my home hole, I saw it enter and cloak up before warping off grid. There are at LEAST 5 tengus and a loki and legion waiting for me. There is absolutely nothing I can do because I'm watch listed. I can't even pack up my tower without that fact being immediately revealed to everyone. I'm ****** basically. Now good on you for having some proactive measures in place with your scout, that's nice, but why the hell do you assume, why the hell are you even allowed to know I'm online and active? There's no handshake, it's a totally unilateral act of aggression, there's no player driven action I can perform to escape this scenario. And that's why I'm mad, not because you're running sites in my home, but because you're passively waiting for me to appear so you can gank me. Because you know I'm online. That is just utterly ******. At least coalition intel networks require people to actually be there and report hostiles and neutrals when they're found.

An argument could be created for k-space allowing these things through local networks because gates are tracking you or CONCORD knows (same with ESS things and whatever) or whatever contrived excuse you want to come up with for at least reporting that someone is in your area. This is completely different. Without D-scan you can't determine anything is there, short of launching combat probes which then allows people to know that you're there. Wormhole space. No local. Detection is based on proactive measures, defense relies on being proactive and detecting incoming hostiles, choking holes or bubbling them or otherwise d-scanning for probes or uncloaked enemies. But there is watchlisting.

Congrats, I'm just going to minimise my eve window for the rest of the day because I'm ******. I'm not going to sit here and try to do anything and let you gank me because of this flagrantly broken intel tool is letting you know that I'm still here. And after downtime I'm just not gonna log in for a couple of days. Have fun with waiting for me.

Second complaint comes back to my post ages ago about mobile depots and the fact that they reveal your name. And really any other kind of non-descript asset in space. Surely this is just a binary thing that could be switched off in the back-end by the developers. Because asking people who want to gank someone to actually be there the whole time waiting is too much, no it has to be easy. You have to be able to identify capital pilots by watchlisting their ships while they're not there or logged off, you have to be able to know instantly who might be the logistics guy for a group through similar means. All you gotta do is watchlist and then if it's worthwhile you just seed and attack while they're all offline. Because that makes any sense whatsoever. Do battle tanks in reality in the names of their drivers or even the country they belong to written on them? No. Not normally. What about combat aircraft? Well no they don't either normally because it's ********. It's just a dumb idea. Why is my name and corp even visible on my tower? If this was me in reality I wouldn't plaster my ******* name all over everything in extremely dangerous territory because maybe if I catch someone trying to steal my **** I don't want them to know it's mine and that I would be formulating a response plan. Instead you can just watchlist my whole corporation, whoever I am and know instantaneously whether I'm around or not. That's just ridiculous. It's patently ridiculous.

CCP this is the part you need to pay attention to. By now I'm calming down a bit I admit I am ******* pissed right now because I can't play without dying right now there's literally nothing I can do. And because of a programming fault. A fault in your game design and therefore programming.

You want to have things like "shattered systems" where people are going to transiently occupy presumably with either capitals for the higher class systems or mobile depots for lower class systems, or bustards or whatever that allows people to refit in space. OK. That will make being the predator so incredibly easy because a depot at the very least has a finite time span its alive. It belongs to one person. In a wormhole especially noones going to leave this behind. So you know when you find one you just click on it to see who it belongs to and if it's someone who is likely flying something work ganking you watchlist - and if they're online you know you should start scanning the hole. And if they're offline maybe you move on maybe you stay who knows you still got that massive free intel on someone because of some arbitrary *need* for every object in space to have your name on it.

This is so massive I need 2 posts for this

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no but seriously. TL;DR Dude

He does have an interesting point though, It is a question that is valid to ask, is the balance of the availability of intel versus the "unknown" element of wormhole space out of line?

For a hunter the intel is pure gold.
For the hunted, not so much.

I certainly see the argument for an intel update (watchlist) being delayed for a short while.
But as for removing it, that has wider effects.

It would be a very annoying to lose the use of this tool, but I can see both sides in this, worth thinking more on, we don't want to make hunting purely blundering into people though.

The point about unoccupied items delivering the owners name, being at odds with wormhole space is interesting, he has a good point. That is worth talking about as well.

Watchlist is a broken and ******** metagame mechanic, but not really specifically so in wormholes.

Long post but relevant point. We all use it for free tracking. It shouldn't work that way in this space.

No question that watchlisting is a broken and stupid mechanic that should be consensual and revokable.

The OP is being a crybaby about it though and should probably man up.

Wohoooo free PewPew! Can i bring a drake or 10 to deal with these pesky peasants?

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This post should have been called: There are douchebags in my hole. Anyone want some t3 kills?

Bait them out.

You problem would be solved pretty easily man.

Ps. Watch list is a bit **** but there are worse things in eve than that.

Some do this but for most people (myself included) this is not a viable option (data caps, power concerns, shared computers, etc). Not everybody has a always on computer running eve (many use laptops, others travel and play, others only have specific times when they can login). Basically that is not a viable answer/counter for the typical eve player (or game player infact).