These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Intergalactic Summit

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

WA------! Site On--- --ed!

Author
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#81 - 2014-11-13 18:27:00 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:

May I ask your reason to think that? Why would they capture Hilen? What purpose do they serve him?

I'm not Gehen, but Nation seems plausible. Didn't AJ have problems with them in the past?
.


And the present. There was no formal retractation of the war declaration made by Sansha's Nation. Sansha-loyalist "Capsuleer" groups always had shifting agendas, but Nation itself did not send any new message since the threats on Dr. Tukoss.

So, Sansha Kuvakei does not like Hilen Tukoss, and we know he's good at holding grudges.

Also, the capture of Hilen Tukoss might simply be to made demands to Arek'Jalaan. The Jovian body parts, I'm sure, are very precious to those who have the Sansha level in bioengineering. Perhaps they research a new line of nanomachines, which would enable True Slaves to wield Jovian technology?

This is pure speculation, of course, but there is no need to search very far for new enemies when the old ones are still there.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#82 - 2014-11-13 18:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Roderick Raholan wrote:
As Avio Yaken of Scope Works just brought to our attention... "ROUTER TOKEN EXPIRY – 116//01/20 – 14:29"


I did a search for events occurring around this date,but not much came up. Closest to this date I could find was the group of not so bright Gurista capsuleers (NOT Loyalist capsuleers, genuine Gurista Capsuleers) that thought antagonizing the local lowsec alliance was a 'brilliant' idea & got subsequently smashed. Doesn't seem related at all.
Maybe someone else can find something related to this date or prior?

Some thoughts from me:

'entering a state of panic'

Whatever the cause of their panic is, it must be tied to recent events. I suspect the rally to collect sleeper data for the research race might gotten them in a frenzy, as it was a quite sudden announcement that gave alot of attention to wormholes & sleeper data/tech, something that would disturb his captors if they do live in a wormhole system.

Another thing to keep in mind, the first message praised efforts to colonize systems, including one we don't know. This indicates that whoever sended the first message was unaware we didn't know about this unidentified colonized system! Indicating there's at least two unknown parties involved. However, as the first messanger was unaware we didn't know, it's likely the colonized system is occupied by an organisation we know in Empire space & has alot of power as they have been able to keep it hidden so long.


I did use the knowledge & efforts that people gathered about the third message and composed it into an article about the change this message created in our perception about Hilen Tukoss' return: The return of Dr Hilen Tukoss, Part II: A third message

In the end, I warn for caution and a need to keep collecting data & knowledge, in order to find a way to verify who the 'real' Hilen Tukoss is. This might be him, but it can also be of an opponent who tries to disrupt the goal that Hilen Tukoss tries to achieve.
The desperate nature of this broadcast does give points that this might be the real Hilen Tukoss, but if that is so, he's in for a bad time, as getting caught transmitting a message to disrupt your captors work is a surefire way to buy you some punishment-time.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#83 - 2014-11-13 23:07:51 UTC
Will the real Dr. Tukoss please stand up ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Anslo
Scope Works
#84 - 2014-11-13 23:40:55 UTC
Does anyone know how to find historic wormhole data? Like what opened up where and when?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#85 - 2014-11-13 23:56:30 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Does anyone know how to find historic wormhole data? Like what opened up where and when?


That would be a very powerful tool indeed... it might even be useful in helping to predict where a particular wormhole might open next...

The implications would be staggering. Imagine lining up to catch the 1552 to J105936 out of Orduin for a nice afternoon of C1 farming?

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!

Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#86 - 2014-11-14 00:07:57 UTC
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Avio Yaken wrote:

May I ask your reason to think that? Why would they capture Hilen? What purpose do they serve him?

I'm not Gehen, but Nation seems plausible. Didn't AJ have problems with them in the past?
.


And the present. There was no formal retractation of the war declaration made by Sansha's Nation. Sansha-loyalist "Capsuleer" groups always had shifting agendas, but Nation itself did not send any new message since the threats on Dr. Tukoss.

So, Sansha Kuvakei does not like Hilen Tukoss, and we know he's good at holding grudges.

Also, the capture of Hilen Tukoss might simply be to made demands to Arek'Jalaan. The Jovian body parts, I'm sure, are very precious to those who have the Sansha level in bioengineering. Perhaps they research a new line of nanomachines, which would enable True Slaves to wield Jovian technology?

This is pure speculation, of course, but there is no need to search very far for new enemies when the old ones are still there.


I would like to think that the Nation's bioengineering advancements, while impressive compared with similar technologies available to us, are crude compared to Jovian methods. Somewhere along the lines of prehistoric trepanning compared to modern nano-psychosurgery.

Yes, of course, the Nation would undoubtedly like to get ahold of Jovian bits and bobs, on the off chance that they could stumble upon some kind of advancement... for some reason, all of this cloak-and-dagger stuff just doesn't /feel/ like a Nation operation.

Capturing Tukoss, turning him into a True Slave, and having him lead an assault on A'J. Now, /that/ is more their style. But I digress...

Based upon the assumption ( yes, yes, I'm well aware what "assuming" does ) that the third transmission received from "Tukoss" is genuine, this leaves us dealing with /something/ that is smart enough to understand deceit, intelligent enough assimilate the language, but not experienced enough to avoid the syntax errors that most of our language-translation software deal with on a daily basis.

Most rogue drones communicate in binary. Hexadecimal, being the basis for the first two messages received, is a step up in information density, and could represent an advancement in their ability to communicate. Motive and means are the big missing factors in this particular theory. I have never encountered, nor heard of any rogue drone elements in w-space. In fact, most Sleeper Drones aggress human-made drones quite quickly, almost as if there is a pre-disposed bias against them. The possibility of rogue drone elements surviving long enough in w-space to build a facility in which to hold Tukoss... are slim, to say the least.

The possibility of involvement of a higher form of Elite Rogue Drone or even the Awakened Infomorph ( qv ), would be stepping too far into the realm of baseless speculation. Neither party have shown any hexadecimal usage, preferring to keep to binary, and the AWI mentioned above has demonstrated communication abilities far more sophisticated than those shown by the first two Tukoss-messages. This could be due to the AWI's unique nature, or other factors of which we are ignorant.

Other machine intelligences include the Sleepers themselves, of course, but to the best of my knowledge, communication attempts with the Sleeper Drones have only been answered with silence and weapons-fire. The Sleepers themselves, taken as a separate population from their Drone creations, are an intriguing possibility...

Bear with my supposition for a moment, that the Sleepers, or a small population thereof, are waking up.

Perhaps they are doing so because the pre-set alarm clock has finally started ringing after a millenia long nap. There is also the possibility that some kind of emergency alarm has finally gotten some of them up because of the wholesale damage being inflicted upon their constructs. Given that they would be unable to stop these assaults, even with advances to their own tactics ( remote repping, prioritizing drone aggro, etc ), it makes sense that they would attempt to gather information about the technology being used against them ( read, the newly discovered Sleeper Caches in k-space ) and, by extension, those using said technology...

Capsuleer prisoners. Influential ones. Intelligent ones. Prisoners that could /possibly/ be leveraged, or even imitated, to get them what they ultimately need.

Especially /if/ these awakening Sleepers are digitized Jovians who are paniced in their realization that those who were not digitized, those who were left 'outside' to continue their research and find a cure to their genetic disease, failed miserably. Or worse, died quietly in the process. Because, if this were the case, wouldn't these awakening Jovian Sleepers want to get ahold of samples of what might be the last Jovian body in existence, in a bid to re-create that which has been lost?

Yes, yes, I know, I railed against 'baseless speculation' a few paragraphs up there, but I really do not thing this is an example of such. I'm really not trying to propose anything new or definitive or even revolutionary. I also don't expect to change people's trains of thought. I just wanted to give voice to a series of ideas and theories that have been stacking up rather peculiarly in my head for a while now.

And I invite anyone who made it through all of that, who takes issue with any of it , please let me know. I'm happy to discuss. I'm happy to re-examine. Especially if I'm /proven/ wrong! Its better to be corrected than wrong.

Thanks for the time...

-st



TL;DR - crazy stuff!!!
Blink

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-11-14 11:20:34 UTC
That all has something to do with Ishukone.
Trust me.

They are shady bastards like that. Remember that story with POWs? Gallente torture all Caldari POWs from all seven megacorps. Why seven, but not eight?.. Because they return to Ishukone their POWs.

And this Dr. Tukoss, he ran from this Ishukone, and now disappeared. He probably has some information about Ishukone treasons, and they are torturing him!... Or maybe not torturing, maybe something else. But it is definitely shady business. And should he have such information, he would definitely need political sanctuary...

We must find Dr. Tukoss and interrogate him as we should, before these minmatars again put their hands on him. Or Ishukonites, if someone else except Ishukone is holding him.

But still, my bet that it is Ishukone who is involved. I would put, ummm... say, 5mil ISK on it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#88 - 2014-11-14 12:12:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Diana Kim wrote:
That all has something to do with Ishukone.
Trust me.

I doubt it. They could just impersonate him, I mean speech, but those previous messages have suspicious vibe around them. Almost like a machine talking to us. Or someone not familiar with our languages. Or Ishukone is that devious... Or not. Most likely not.

Anyway, any luck with this?
Hilen Tukoss wrote:

D--- - - - -- - rch --- - - m --- - -- - anger I - - - - -------- - - -o gr-- -- -- ---

I tried to find any pattern here, but it looks like those are just interferences. It almost looke like "Don't try to reach me", but not really. I did, however, find a couple of relevant words with "rch" - "perch" and "porch". First seems to be it as it means "to be in a high position or in a position near the edge of something"

Edge of Anoikis? Edge of Wolf-Rayet? Who had the coordinates?

If my guess is right, then "anger" certainly means "danger", probably this part is about some dangers in the sector, hm...

Edit: second guess about this "Don't try". "Don't try to search for me". That, however, negates my guess about the edge of somewhere.
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#89 - 2014-11-14 12:40:01 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
That all has something to do with Ishukone.
Trust me.

I doubt it. They could just impersonate him, I mean speech, but those previous messages have suspicious vibe around them. Almost like a machine talking to us. Or someone not familiar with our languages. Or Ishukone is that devious... Or not. Most likely not.

Anyway, any luck with this?
Hilen Tukoss wrote:

D--- - - - -- - rch --- - - m --- - -- - anger I - - - - -------- - - -o gr-- -- -- ---

I tried to find any pattern here, but it looks like those are just interferences. It almost looke like "Don't try to reach me", but not really. I did, however, find a couple of relevant words with "rch" - "perch" and "porch". First seems to be it as it means "to be in a high position or in a position near the edge of something"

Edge of Anoikis? Edge of Wolf-Rayet? Who had the coordinates?

If my guess is right, then "anger" certainly means "danger", probably this part is about some dangers in the sector, hm...

Edit: second guess about this "Don't try". "Don't try to search for me". That, however, negates my guess about the edge of somewhere.


Same here.

For the moment, I consider it to probably mean something along the lines of "Do not try to search for me, as the danger I face is too great."
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#90 - 2014-11-14 13:34:37 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:

Some thoughts from me:

'entering a state of panic'

Whatever the cause of their panic is, it must be tied to recent events. I suspect the rally to collect sleeper data for the research race might gotten them in a frenzy, as it was a quite sudden announcement that gave alot of attention to wormholes & sleeper data/tech, something that would disturb his captors if they do live in a wormhole system.


I concur.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Ridha Shakir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2014-11-14 13:41:19 UTC
The result of searching and probing all of Argeir:

- Several Angel Relic sites
- Three Wormholes, one of them leading to Amarr high-sec space, two to W-space
- A dozen abandoned combat drones, some of which must have been out there for a while

That's it. So if something is out there it is either:

- cloaked
- planetside
- stationside
- within the confines of one of the many POSes
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#92 - 2014-11-14 13:49:54 UTC
Ridha Shakir wrote:
The result of searching and probing all of Argeir:

- Several Angel Relic sites
- Three Wormholes, one of them leading to Amarr high-sec space, two to W-space
- A dozen abandoned combat drones, some of which must have been out there for a while

That's it. So if something is out there it is either:

- cloaked
- planetside
- stationside
- within the confines of one of the many POSes


Emphasis mine.

If the general consensus is to suspect the Sleepers, then this continuing report from I-RED should be considered relevant to the search.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Shae Mataar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2014-11-14 19:15:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
He probably has some information... and they are torturing him!

We must find Dr. Tukoss and interrogate him as we should...


yes, we should rescue the poor doctor from his current captors so that we can torture him properly here!

Roll

i bring that which you fear the most

freedom

no matter what the price

Vieve Creston
DED
CONCORD Assembly
#94 - 2014-11-14 19:50:01 UTC
It has come to the attention of the Directive Enforcement Department that a number of individuals have been donating items to a resource drop in Site One in the Eram system. We are also aware this effort is taking place at the request of an ambiguously identified person. The DED would like to take the opportunity to strongly advise against this course of action until such time as the identity of the person initiating this effort can be verified.

Despite claims that this person is Dr Hilen Tukoss, we are unable to verify the identity of the sender of the transmission requesting capsuleer assistance, and we have had no confirmed contact with Dr Tukoss since his disappearance. The DED is also unable to identify the original source of the carrier signal for the original transmission, or this transmission prior to its relay through transponder 30003453-50008995-50006664.

Please refrain from further interactions with any claimant of this NeoCom ident until their true identity and motives are verified. We repeat that it is strongly advised to stand down and refrain from following requests or instructions from such a source.

Thank you.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#95 - 2014-11-14 20:33:40 UTC
Thank you for not including an 'or else' in your statement, Ms. Creston. You know how capsuleers respond to statements such as that.

As for assisting Tukoss, well-- I think we're a bit past that point.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#96 - 2014-11-14 20:51:32 UTC
Oops.

-Eran
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#97 - 2014-11-14 20:51:43 UTC
Vieve Creston wrote:
It has come to the attention of the Directive Enforcement Department that a number of individuals have been donating items to a resource drop in Site One in the Eram system. We are also aware this effort is taking place at the request of an ambiguously identified person. The DED would like to take the opportunity to strongly advise against this course of action until such time as the identity of the person initiating this effort can be verified.

Despite claims that this person is Dr Hilen Tukoss, we are unable to verify the identity of the sender of the transmission requesting capsuleer assistance, and we have had no confirmed contact with Dr Tukoss since his disappearance. The DED is also unable to identify the original source of the carrier signal for the original transmission, or this transmission prior to its relay through transponder 30003453-50008995-50006664.

Please refrain from further interactions with any claimant of this NeoCom ident until their true identity and motives are verified. We repeat that it is strongly advised to stand down and refrain from following requests or instructions from such a source.

Thank you.


Oh, crikey! It's the rozzers!

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
#98 - 2014-11-14 21:02:01 UTC
Vieve Creston wrote:
It has come to the attention of the Directive Enforcement Department that a number of individuals have been donating items to a resource drop in Site One in the Eram system. We are also aware this effort is taking place at the request of an ambiguously identified person. The DED would like to take the opportunity to strongly advise against this course of action until such time as the identity of the person initiating this effort can be verified.

Despite claims that this person is Dr Hilen Tukoss, we are unable to verify the identity of the sender of the transmission requesting capsuleer assistance, and we have had no confirmed contact with Dr Tukoss since his disappearance. The DED is also unable to identify the original source of the carrier signal for the original transmission, or this transmission prior to its relay through transponder 30003453-50008995-50006664.

Please refrain from further interactions with any claimant of this NeoCom ident until their true identity and motives are verified. We repeat that it is strongly advised to stand down and refrain from following requests or instructions from such a source.

Thank you.


Typical CONCORD, always turning up AFTER the things have happened.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#99 - 2014-11-14 21:14:50 UTC
Shae Mataar wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
He probably has some information... and they are torturing him!

We must find Dr. Tukoss and interrogate him as we should...


yes, we should rescue the poor doctor from his current captors so that we can torture him properly here!

Roll

It is vary important to be the one doing the torture, how else are you going to be sure it gets done right?

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Cap'n Schmitty
#100 - 2014-11-14 21:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cap'n Schmitty
Some more desperate and semi-random scans of the CONCORD database shows that Transponder 6612 may refer to Stargate ID 50006612, or the 5T-A3D gate in MTGF-2, in Oasa. This is a region gate, one of four connections between Oasa and Perrigen Falls. MTGF-2 is currently controlled by Shadow of xXDEATHXx, while 5T-A3D belongs to Absolution Alliance.

This could of course be (and likely is) a completely bogus lead, but I figured it would be better to post it here than not. Do with that information what you will.