Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'll come straight to the point.

I can fit up my stabber (with 3 damage mods) and I have a higher DPS with 250 rails vs 650 arty.

Now, I appreciate that 650 isn't the biggest arty - but you try fitting 720mm on a T1 cruiser....

Arty (RFEMP) and warriors: 338 DPS//1544 alpha (12+32)
Rails (CNAM) and warrors: 389 DPS//1242 alpha (18+15)
Rails (CNU) and warrors: 337 DPS//1088 alpha (27+15)

There's not a huge alpha gap, yet bonused arty is doing 86% of unbonused rail DPS.

What gives?

Yes, yes, arty is capless etc...but come on now, let's be sensible - this is a bit whacky.


Similar results can be had with a rupture - with arty edging it by some 4% - keep in mind the rupture is double bonused.


tl:dr: I'm doing more damage with unbonsed rails than bonused arty.


Can we either look at rails or the artys please?

factor in falloff, optimal, tracking, cap use, damage projection, type of damages you can deal and then compare them again.

by your logic i should make a post about how bad my damage is with auto cannons on my machariel in comparison to the blasters on my vindicator because the difference in raw DPS is HUGE

No, it would be like comparing a blaster mach to an AC mach.

Read it again.

Arty STABBER vs rail STABBER

Shameless plug:

Claw is useless in the face of pretty much every other ship.
With arties: 250 - way too low alpha per range to bother. 280 - **** tracking, no PG left, too much glass not enough cannon.
With ACs: loldamage for a weapon system that requires you to be within scram and web range with just 2 midslots.


That being said I bet a big chunk of alpha is coming from drones in your calculations.
Compute alpha without drones.

DPS: 308 vs 258
Alpha: 920 vs 1222


Edit: The same tank is fittable with 650 vs 250.

The issue with artillery is fitting, and only fitting. Your dps is lower with arty because arty has slow cycle times but HUGE volley potential. Compare volley on rail gun and then arty. Its almost doubled. Faster RoF is higher dps. Arty isnt about dps but alpha.

My 280 jag does 160dps but hits for 1k. Thats with 3 turrets.

I do agree though, arty is not in the best position, nor the ships that are designed to use it. Small and medium arty needs a 10% PG drop to start. Large is fine imo.

Keep in mind it's bonused vs unbonused.

The alpha on a thorax with 200s isn't a million miles off the arty boats either (thorax is over 1k)

Point I'm getting at is I don't believe unbonused weapons should get near bonused ones on the same hull

afkalt has a point.

Medium rails do 17% less damage than medium blasters.
Small rails do 39% less damage than small blasters
Large rails do 40% less damage than large blasters.

This has happened because medium rails were buffed a few patches ago, about a year back. They got a 15% damage boost I think? While losing some tracking. It was a bad balance pass and should be reversed.

Even the 720 have better tracking than the 250. Is that taken into account?

Its called resists and damage mitigation?