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Help a WH newb

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ThePhoniex
Army of the Monkey God
#1 - 2014-11-11 10:05:43 UTC
Ok so I have many WH questions and I googled many of them like a good little boy and then realized I was reading 2-3+ year old forum posts. So now my head is spinning and I'm not sure what I "know" is right anymore.

Simple premise: I got into exploration a couple of weeks back in high sec. I was doing Relic/data sites, because the combat sites were basically crap:( And its fun, hacking game is a waste of time, but the experience is a lot like treasure hunting and I like that. So I made the mistake of reading but not understanding the last 2 expansions patch notes.. Basically not understanding WH basics/specifics and then trying to decode what this or that new "change" means.

So this is what I want to do: Go into C-1/C-2 WH's and hack cans in Data/relic sites (like I do in HS) in a covert ops frig and not die. Basically scan down every sig in a HS system and then do the HS data/relic sites then pop into a WH and do the WH/Null data/relic sites there as well. Then pop back into HS space with my loot and go to the next HS system.

So here we go with the questions.

1)About these new "frigate" wh's? So are C-1/C-2 class now basically only for frigates because the "hole" wont let larger ships in? Could you have trouble getting something larger (say a t3) in/ out of a c1/2?

2)are their now 2 "kinds" of data/relic sites in WH's(the old WH sites that have sleepers in them and now null date/relic sites that have other rats in them?? and do BOTH of them always have rats in them if they have not yet been run? Specifically are their data/relic hacking sites in WH that I can just hack and only have to worry about other players? Do I NEED a ship that can do pvp, pve, and hack/probe or can I just do hacking/probing- accepting being fish in a barrel for a pvp setup? (hopefully slippery fish:)

3)is doing data/relic sites in class 1-2 WH's the "hardest cans" in the game? Meaning do I need to go somewhere else for endgame content or can it be just a WH entrance away from HS?

4)If data/relic sites in WH always have enemies, should I just forget about using a covert opts frig and just go in a cloaking/probing/tanking/not crappy dps t3? Does that mean that the "best" t2 hulls (cov opts)for probing and hacking simply cant do the best sites alone, instead I need to use a stratos or a t3?

5)the "standard" t3 setup for WH is 1)probe/hacking sub 2) covert opts cloak sub 3) interdiction nullifier sub and then the other 2 based off of what you want/need to fit or "refit" with a mobile bay? Am I missing anything?
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2014-11-11 10:16:40 UTC
1) No, the small ship wormholes can lead anywhere, they were added on top of the existing wormholes, not replacing anything

2) yes, two types, sleeper and pirate data/relics. Sleeper ones have sleepers in there and are generally nastier than sleeper anomalies. Pirate sites contain only cans, no rats.

3) C1s and C2s now spawn the nullsec hackable cans, some of them being really difficult to open. I'm not sure if the Ghost site cans are even harder, but in any case you will run into cans that explode on you even with perfect skills and implants.

4) you only need a combat ship for the sleeper data/relics. The main profit in these sites is not in the cans, but in the sleeper loot and salvage. Random is random, but in general the can drops from sleeper sites isn't that lucrative and some people don't even bother with them.

5) Interdiction nullifier is not exactly standard, but if it makes you feel safer then by all means fit one. Mobile depot is standard equipment for any ship in w-space and very useful.

tl,dr; if you just want to hack/analyze, enjoy the pirate sites in whs in your covops frig.

Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-11-11 11:09:33 UTC
How good are your hacking skills, because what KFH already wrote: They are 0.0 sites. Data is doable with Level 4 skills, but Relic can get frustrating if you don't have the skill for the T2 Relic module as my Impression was in the past, that Relics are harder than Datas.

BTW as this fits into the Topic somehow:

Do Rigs like Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I affect hacking or not? Never tried, but read somewhere months ago, they do not since CCP changed the way hacking works?!?
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2014-11-11 12:21:54 UTC
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
Do Rigs like Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I affect hacking or not? Never tried, but read somewhere months ago, they do not since CCP changed the way hacking works?!?


The rigs now increase your virus coherence by 10, which is very helpful if not even necessary for the difficult hacks. Anyway, no reason to not fit them instead of Gravity Cap Upgrades now that scanning is so easy and you have the midslot scanning upgrades.



ThePhoniex
Army of the Monkey God
#5 - 2014-11-12 09:35:18 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
1) No, the small ship wormholes can lead anywhere, they were added on top of the existing wormholes, not replacing anything

2) yes, two types, sleeper and pirate data/relics. Sleeper ones have sleepers in there and are generally nastier than sleeper anomalies. Pirate sites contain only cans, no rats.

3) C1s and C2s now spawn the nullsec hackable cans, some of them being really difficult to open. I'm not sure if the Ghost site cans are even harder, but in any case you will run into cans that explode on you even with perfect skills and implants.

4) you only need a combat ship for the sleeper data/relics. The main profit in these sites is not in the cans, but in the sleeper loot and salvage. Random is random, but in general the can drops from sleeper sites isn't that lucrative and some people don't even bother with them.

5) Interdiction nullifier is not exactly standard, but if it makes you feel safer then by all means fit one. Mobile depot is standard equipment for any ship in w-space and very useful.

tl,dr; if you just want to hack/analyze, enjoy the pirate sites in whs in your covops frig.



Thanks for the ANSWERS! But now I have more questions..

1)The frigate only WH's.. they don't lead their way to class 1/2 holes? They lead to a Frigate specific WH or are just a frigate sized hole to K space or any WH? So like anywhere, anywhere?

2)Would you use the data/relic virus coherence rigs on a exploration cov ops frigate? I have good scanning skills but only lvl 4 data/relic hacking skills for another 18 days at least:)

Thanks again!
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-11-12 09:54:58 UTC
ThePhoniex wrote:
King Fu Hostile wrote:
1) No, the small ship wormholes can lead anywhere, they were added on top of the existing wormholes, not replacing anything

2) yes, two types, sleeper and pirate data/relics. Sleeper ones have sleepers in there and are generally nastier than sleeper anomalies. Pirate sites contain only cans, no rats.

3) C1s and C2s now spawn the nullsec hackable cans, some of them being really difficult to open. I'm not sure if the Ghost site cans are even harder, but in any case you will run into cans that explode on you even with perfect skills and implants.

4) you only need a combat ship for the sleeper data/relics. The main profit in these sites is not in the cans, but in the sleeper loot and salvage. Random is random, but in general the can drops from sleeper sites isn't that lucrative and some people don't even bother with them.

5) Interdiction nullifier is not exactly standard, but if it makes you feel safer then by all means fit one. Mobile depot is standard equipment for any ship in w-space and very useful.

tl,dr; if you just want to hack/analyze, enjoy the pirate sites in whs in your covops frig.



Thanks for the ANSWERS! But now I have more questions..

1)The frigate only WH's.. they don't lead their way to class 1/2 holes? They lead to a Frigate specific WH or are just a frigate sized hole to K space or any WH? So like anywhere, anywhere?

2)Would you use the data/relic virus coherence rigs on a exploration cov ops frigate? I have good scanning skills but only lvl 4 data/relic hacking skills for another 18 days at least:)

Thanks again!

Frig holes can go anywhere. There are no frig specific whs.

If you are building a dedicated hacking ship then put the rigs on it for hacking. If its scanning/hacking then a mix of both might suit you better. best way to do it is to just try and see, if you are having trouble hacking then put more rigs on for that purpose.

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Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-11-12 10:42:08 UTC
not reasonable. See the calibration costs of the rig. Just use 1x cheap small T2 rig, which gives the same Bonus as 2x T1 rigs and use the remaining Slot on a CovertOps ship for something else, which might help you to increase your chance of survival, etc..
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2014-11-12 11:23:44 UTC
I use one of each T1 rigs so I don't have to change ships, seems to work well with lvl V skills.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#9 - 2014-11-12 17:19:19 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
Do Rigs like Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I affect hacking or not? Never tried, but read somewhere months ago, they do not since CCP changed the way hacking works?!?


The rigs now increase your virus coherence by 10, which is very helpful if not even necessary for the difficult hacks. Anyway, no reason to not fit them instead of Gravity Cap Upgrades now that scanning is so easy and you have the midslot scanning upgrades.





I think this nicely summarises everything from Odyssey onwards with regards to exploration.