Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then where does the Role Bonus come in.
90% reduction in jump fatigue generation

To expand on this, the use of jump bridges (getting cyno'd somewhere by a titan or pos) still generates fatigue. Industrials are bonused to experience less fatigue from jump bridging.

Hey Rise, for those of us with CRS (Cannot Remember S***), does this mean Bowhead bpo will be available only in ORE space?

(sincerely apologize if this has been mentioned earlier)

To be honest, I feel the cargohold is a bit lacking.
The most applied use of this ship is going to be for personal movement from system to system.

I would like to see the cargo capacity in the minimum of 30k range.key word here being MINIMUM!!!

That way you can carry a reasonable amount of supplies in it as well.
Where else am I gonna put my 800 cap boosters?

Keep dreaming.

i only mention this since it is intended to be a HS ship

I am looking forward to this ship.

By the time I have the isk to buy it for this toon and my alt, the 'shiney new-so gank me' effect should be mostly gone.

Now for my comments...

Many people mentioned the speed bonus. I am glad it has been changed to boost agility. Its original setting just didn't have any purpose. Now, maybe the solo people like myself has a chance to survive a gank with this HUGE GANK MAGNET.

I agree the cargo hold is a bit small, but I don't see a need for it to be much larger (maybe 10-20k at max)

I know CCP has planned for it to be designed for 3 T2 fitted battleships and I feel that is a good number for the minimum-skilled pilot. The fully-skilled pilot shold be able to store at least 1 more (for 4 battleships) or at maximum 2 more (for 5).

Making a brand new skill just for this one ship is a poor decision in my opinion, but I'm not a CCP stock-holder.
I would think consolidating the entire line of ORE vessels to one or two skills would be more efficient.
Making a completely new skill for each ship instead of adapting to the already laid foundation seems to be a common thread among CCP developers.
We have people in the US to do such things just to prove they can... we call them politicians.

This ship will find a niche, I am certain.
Through December and most of January, it will make the 'tear-harvesting gankers' happy.
After that, it will likely be used for hauling larger numbers of smaller combat-ready ships (frigates to cruisers) than its proposed function.
It will be used most often when a player (or group of players) have many more ships than pilots and/or ships they can not pilot... except by a relative few.

I like the fact that fitting for 'max tank' will not cut its ability at its main job, unlike other non-combat ships. It will likely be 'tweaked' as CCP watches how the ship is used and decides how to 'guide' how the players use it.

I am rather surprised ORE is to make this ship, though.
Seems to me me it would be more along the lines of SoE or SoCT (I would prefer the latter).
Scratch that. When either of those factions makes a ship, it is quite versitile and capable of fighting when attacked.
ORE makes the gank magnets that have to look for a job.

In fact, I would think SoCT would make a line of haulers adaptable to the needs of the buyer, but I guess that would be too intelligent.

I was not aware SoCT made any ships before the Gnosis. I only knew of the shuttle.

I was basing my statement on the values of the Gnosis.... a battlecruiser with excellent flexibility and low skill requirements.

Whichever dev came up with THAT design knew what new players needed to learn EvE and designed a sturdy ship for the purpose. He/she did an excellent job. That is shown by that rise in its price on the market.

Making a line of low-requirement, flexible industrials shouldn't be so difficult.

CCP is betting there will be a large number of players who will find a use for it in its present form.

They have made that bet with a number of ships and it has been a case of more flops than gold. The Nester (the SoE battleship) and the prospect being two flops I know of.

Though players on the forums are pointing out the GLARING problems with the bowhead, the chances CCP will fix them simply don't exist at this time. CCP doesn't seem to understand some aspects of their own game and the players who abide in those aspects. Solo players being one aspect they simply don't understand and/or just don't want in the game.

This desire to avoid solo play seems to be prevalent in many of their decisions... particularly ship design.

The bowhead in its present form does not support solo players. Unfortunately, it needs team play to be usefull and that need removes any benefit to using it in its present form. The need of yet ANOTHER skill for this ship and ONLY this ship lowers the value of this ship even more.

Letting the ship require an already existant skill (like Capitol Industrial) probably did not even occur to CCP and they're not going to admit it makes sense, so they will not implement the change. Increasing the size of the Bowhead's main bay with a skill's level is also an idea that makes sense, but since THAT would benefit solo players, it won't happen.

Scaling the ship's agility to a skill has been mentioned and it looks like CCP will be implementing it, but enabling the ship to use a microjump (so active players could escape ganking, but not AFK players) has not been commented on.

CCP has agreed that the ship's EHP was seriously below the logical value required for the value of its intended cargo and did agree to increase it. The fact that they did this in a manner which enabled it to benefit from being escorted by logi ships shows their desire to stress team play in EvE... this time in a very good way.

The bowhead will be bought in the first few weeks by players who want to test it and players who collect ships (I'm one of the collectors). Gankers will be joyous to have such a rich, slow target for their killmails. After those first few weeks, the bowhead will sit beside the Nestor as canidate for "the flop of the year".

If CCP really wanted to test the Bowhead, they'd provide it as one of the benefits of the "yule lads" this christmas like they did the leopard shuttle last year.
I don't expect them to do that for 2 reasons:
first: it's just simple too big a ship and the players WOULD find a use for it, but it would NOT be the purpose CCP intended.
second: the ship's GLARING problems would become evident to everyone, not just CCP. This will happen anyway, so I don't understand why CCP doesn't just fix it now.

Sigamp loki with quad web takes it <3s to get into warp as is.