Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ummm, I think you must have mis-read my post....

'Assembled ship courier contracts' - are currently a thing - now.



It can carry 3 BS instead of only 2.

Now, if it could carry packed ships as well - then we really would be talking!

Well, what I meant was, we need a category of ship courier contract that will fit in an SMA/SMB rather than cargo space.

Like jump freighters, this would be a significant quality of life improvement that is also bad for the game. Ships should not be able to use jump drives in high sec (should have to make at least one gate jump into low or null).

so it can go faster the higher the lvl is trained.

I know i'm a bit late to the party, but I feel this ship needs a bit more cargo, as it is most likely gonna be used for moving purposes.


I'd say something in the 50k range if you choose to fill the lows with T2 cargo hold optimization

Yes. Not everyone in my alliance would agree with me, but that's my opinion.

So much for the supposed update today to make the BPO not just a straight material copy of the Obelisk... Thats what I get for hoping CCP will actually not half-do something that is being released next week.

On the note of it's bay size, once my brother gets home I think I'm going to have to do a test to see if hauling a couple battleships with this thing is actually faster than flying the battleships there myself. As it stands it doesn't seem like it will hold enough ships to actually save time compared to doing it the old fashioned way.

Why not shrink the ship maintenance array on carriers? The carrier class already has far too many roles involved and could use having its role as ghetto/defacto 'ship freighter' taken away from it. I'd propose dropping carrier SMAs down to 750k m3 in order to limit it strictly to 1 battleship + misc others.

With that in mind, we're stuck with a nasty conundrum: a packaged battleship is 50,000 m3, which means you could jam 10 of them into a Freighter (24 with cargo expanders), or 3 of them into a cargo expanded Jump Freighter (7 with expanders). Unpackaged, they're in the 400-600k m3 range, meaning 2 max in a carrier.

Let's assume the Bowhead is a T1 ship freighter. The proposed size of the Bowhead pegs it at 3-4 unpackaged battleships with max skills, which is 40% of equivalent unpackaged transport. Furthermore, this capacity is not buffable with lowslot modules and it really should be to give the same choice offered to freighter pilots. Call them external ship pods, give them bonus to SMA size and negatives to structure and cargo size, might need a role fitting bonus to stop them being used on Rorquals/Carriers, or to balance Rorquals/Carriers to allow their use as a tradeoff with other lowslots.

This seems rather punitive. Instead, if we aim for 75% of the freighter equivalent packaged capacity as a trade-off for moving them assembled, the Bowhead should be closer to 7-8 battleships = ship maintenance bay of almost double size (maxing out at 16 battleships with SMA expanders). Let's say it starts at 3,000,000 m3 and smoothly increases by 100k m3 per level to 3,500,000 m3 with Ore Freighter V, giving that equivalent capacity if we want to keep the skill involvement.

Between the carrier nerf and the Bowhead, that opens up a niche for a T2 Bowhead jump variant (let's call it a Minke). Again, that should come in at 75% of equivalent to jump freighter, so probably around 1,100,000 m3, also with the option to buff with lowslot modules. Naturally this also fits the expected pattern of freighters having jump counter-parts, ORE ships having T2 versions.

Phoebe nerfed jumping into the ground and gate to gate travel has always been tedious and dangerous. Even with jumping, the speed of Bowhead/T2 Variant won't circumvent the nerfs to power projection and this capacity offers the choice of far greater risk, for those willing to take it.

don't know if this have been said or not but...

on sisi it say you need 75 capital cargo bays to build the ship

wouldn't it make more sense for the bp to use capital ship maintenance bays instead

just saying it's a ship shipping ships

I don't believe they updated that yet. Afaik they just copy-pasted the obelisk stats and adjusted from there.