Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yet here we are with people saying a travel fit mach that is slower and more expensive than a dread is a good idea. You can dump a 50 man fleet on this thing and still walk away with a profit. Meanwhile the actual travel fit machs are aligning nearly twice as fast and are sporting a t2 fit.

Highsec is already very, very safe. In fact it is probably safer than it ought to be, and it might be arguable that it is safe to an extent that is unhealthy for the game. That the only real problem players have is in certain chokepoint systems, and even then, the problem is small-scale, infers to me that highsec is very safe indeed.

Yes, I know, that is only my opinion and I have nothing substantial or statistical to back it up. It's just what I've observed.
(cue the "that's just, like, your opinion man" from Lebowski)

That aside, I think the EHP on the Bowhead could use to be reverted back to the original numbers (~350k if properly fitted, if I recall correctly). I don't think gank profitability is of any relevance in this discussion, as it is a question of motive and not of the mechanics of the act, and right now it's highly questionable if profitability is even a [major] driving factor behind ganking at this time (how many times have I seen a thread titled something along the lines of "Help CCP! Empty freighters being ganked!!!"?). So putting that aside, the original EHP numbers were powerful and perfectly usable*.

*Caveat: like others have mentioned earlier in the thread, having the majority of EHP in shield is a great idea to encourage logi support.

But EHP plus or minus, it most likely won't directly effect me since I am unlikely to be able to partake in taking one down either through gank or through wardec. No, my main beef with this vessel is another point already driven home by other posters and while I know it won't change, I have to say it just the same - having yet another industrial skill that only effects one ship is just bullpocky. I'd rather see the ship rolled in with Capital Industrial Ship (someone said earlier it would have XL rigs, right? Well, isn't that capital? Well then it's an industrial ship that's capital and needs to be a part of that skillbook).

It never will because null sec would abuse such a ship to undo the force projection nerfs.

Try not skipping over the first paragraph.

Except that the two have absolutely no relation to each other. The bowhead can't move cap ships and therefore can not undo the force projection nerfs since the force projection was really all about cap ships. Its not like people were complaining that they kept getting hot dropped by battleships in the middle of nowhere.

where was he promoting a 3 bil isk travel fit mach?

cloak in highs, 2 pith as and 2 lses and gist x mwd in mids, 2 1600 faction plates, 4 x type harderners and dcs in low.....it would be more with shield rigs...overheated 300k ehp

Cost 3.42 Bil. This is assuming he didn't also use faction extenders and plex hardeners.

Cost 3.42 Bil. This is assuming he didn't also use faction extenders and plex hardeners.

Yep, nobody has ever complained about goons being able to project their vast subcap fleets anywhere they wanted for the last four years.

And? Did you forget how easy it was to move packed ships in a freighter which have exactly the same bonuses? Or are you telling me that you rig and fit all of your fleet op ships for every single one of your members?