Player Features and Ideas Discussion

its just funny its a on dessy and not a noob ship where they come preinstalled.

You still don't get it do you? That Mach wasn't fit for travel and wasn't travelling....it was sitting in Uedama bumping freighters so they could get ganked. The anti gankers came and ganked the mach. Why do you persist in peddling falsehoods?

Wrong. In highsec (note, this is not null!), travel fit battleships best use is to deter gankers from even bothering in the first place. For battleships, where bumping to prevent warp is not possible, that means gankers need to have enough DPS on field to knock you down in the first wave. When you reach or eclipse 300k ehp, the gankers give up, because they simply don't have that amount of DPS available. The cloak + mwd trick is another useful weapon in the arsenal, because even if somehow the gankers have enough dps to crack 300k in 25 secs, they know that most likely you will just cloak up and escape.

Result - the gankers don't bother, and focus on freighters.

That's why you virtually never see properly bricked tanked travel fit battleships dying.

Yes definitely has to be reasonable. Because it will be a sad day in EVE for everyone when someone with 10 trial accounts and isoboxer needs to spend more then 20mil to gank the thing.

Citation needed.

The fit Veers tried to use was a 4-5 bil armour/shield buffer that a dreadnought would have no problem hitting and included such wonders as factions plates and gist MWD. It was dramatically slowed down to the point where a nano dread would also beat it into warp using just one Hyperspacial rig and a set of med grades.

He said people cant catch it, we just showed that we catch much faster machs.

I could tell you (it's staggeringly obvious to me), but I want to work on your analysis skills a bit. If you actually want any credibility when discussing highsec (and not Goon infested sov), you should be able to quickly skim that KM, look at the fit, and look at the people on it, and tell me why it's obviously a bumping mach, and not a travel mach. Go for it buddy, show us that you actually have some semblance of a clue when discussing highsec. Fingers crossed!

As for your other crazy claims, a mach with a faction cloak + deadspace MWD is virtually uncatchable in highsec, even with some extenders and plates thrown up. That the gankers are invariably -10 in such large gank groups makes the task even more impossible, and is the reason why these travel fit brick tanked machs never die. For all your rhetoric, the one KM you found was a ganker bumping mach meeting it's doom. On the other hand, you can easily find tens of brick tanked freighters and JFs going kaboom thanks to bumping.

What does this tell you? Put 2 and 2 together.

If you're using catalysts, then twenty are needed for a safe margin. In a 0.5 system.

If you have to gank at any higher sec level, then you need still more. So stop telling me that it's not a lot of people, because it is. Higher sec levels make it ridiculous, and that's the whole point of this.

The Bowhead quite simply does not justify such a large tank. A freighter can already avoid a gank that takes twenty, thirty, or more people with a mere one guy with webs.

When such a thing is possible, freighters caught without this defense measure should be killed.

Keep holding your breath....

Did you do your homework yet and figure out why your linked KM was of a bumping mach and not a travel mach?

PvP doesn't just belong in 0.5 systems. You're basically admitting to me that it does take large numbers of people, in all but specific situations.

So thanks for that.