Player Features and Ideas Discussion

as to the first point, yes. In an extreme salutation where everything runs smoothly and no interference it could. The same way that it is currently done with moving fleets of freighters and industrials between staging points (it's not).

Afk auto-piloted freighters get ganked regularly, but it does not follow that an effective counter is to not be afk. Pretty sure this was covered in Logic 101, but it may have been before that, like, you know, the 3rd grade.

An effective counter is what I'm talking about, with emphasis on the word "effective." Implementing a mechanic that allows ships and pilots to be launched in space changes the calculations for the gankers. Right now it is a simple math problem. My proposal adds an element of uncertainty to the equation, especially for the bumpers. "If I bump that freighter with my shiney Mach, is he going to launch 40 gank catalysts and kill me dead?"

Talk about tank and drones and whatever else only changes the numbers in the basic calculation, but doesn't change the fundamentals.

Sure it does. Warping to zero by itself takes a big bite out of the potential chances to actually shoot at you.



Yeah, like actually bothering to defend yourself.

Webbing and warping to zero is all you really need. Asking to carry other players is, among other things, incredibly broken as a mechanic.

But if you want to launch ships, you already can. You just have to have people flying alongside you to grab them. You don't get to turn every ship with an SMB into a carrier though.




Nor should it. It's hauling. Point A >>> Point B, that's as complicated as it gets. Tank your ship, web your ship, warp to zero, and you succeed.

The end. Hell even if you don't do those things, ganking is so rare as to make it likely you will live anyway.

And, Hells Bells, do you even realize the implications of what you're asking for?

You're literally asking for a way that gankers can roll through anywhere in completely safety being carried by a Bowhead, pop out to wreak havoc, and pop back in to safety.

You would have to be insane to actually want this. It would be beyond broken.

Celly here is hitting the nail on the head, the Bownaught is a carrier, without all those other things. it becomes the carrier without combat capability. The nice version for hi-sec hauling of valuable stuff. Just like one does in Null and Low with ones regular suitcase Nidhogger,
So CCP is giving us the hi-sec version of the carrier (non-combat) so why would it have less ehp? Hi Sec is so much more chaotic then Null, in null, if they are blue.... and so on. In hi-sec, the odds of exploding randomly go up. CCP make it just like my nidhogger, with a jump drive, nothing else for combat. let me jump out of hisec if I want, not in, only out. give it a million ehp for crying out loud. Its carrying the most valuable bulky stuff most capsuleers have.

Because neutrals in highsec can't be attacked without CONCORD intervention. Carrier EHP makes a ship ungankable.

Point me to a suicide gank killmail of any of the highsec capitals if you want to contest this. I'll wait.

The idea was to allow incursion runners to move multiple ships around at once. Of course, given the broken bumping mechanics, what will actually happen is these ships getting trapped and blown up by waves of gankers, just as is happening to freighters and jump freighters today. I'm guessing the first month will be absolute carnage...and hopefully lead to some agility buffs so the bumping game isn't possible. If the gankers want to kill it, they should need to muster enough dps to do it the first time.

Guess what? Since I can already travel with 100% safety using cloak + mwd + brick tank, there is no way I am going to expose myself to significant risk by stuffing my stuff in a vulnerable hauler. If the only way to reach a comparable level of safety is to find someone to web for me (who can easily be ganked) that is a huge increase in effort and risk, and makes the ship effectively worthless to me.

Yes, yes, we all know you're proud of what a gutless coward you are. But that has no bearing on discussing this proposed ship. So stay on topic for once.

yes of course you are correct about the hisec capital kills, my point is that the current ganking meta, from my poor and humble perspective, is seemingly out of balance, Carrier ehp doesn't make them ungankable, just much more difficult. See that's the thing, why must the meta for the predators be at such a low bar? In this case the tank of the Bow is figured by what the tank of the three BSs would be inside the Bow, and that's what the Bow's tank would be. (according to the forums so far..) I think we should also consider that the three BSs could value in the four billion isk range. They are bulky and they are expensive. they are not faction titan BPCs being carried in an interceptor. They are in a capital hauler that's slow, give it some tank that will justify hauling around 4 bil in ships.

When its all said and done, I'll take what I get and run with it. I just want my two isk in the mix about a larger tank.