Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its not a jump drive but the bonus of reducing jump fatigue by 90% - when using a jump bridge like other haulers.

This is where you went wrong - I'll ignore the rest of your post because your premise is flawed. That was not the point I made.

I did *say* that the modification to crimewatch was a nerf to hisec criminality, but that was not my point. It was just to establish the fact that CCP visited hisec crime mechanics recently. You can argue that all you like about whether it is a nerf or not until you're blue in the face - it is not my point, as I've stated a few times now.

In your rush to argue, you're still pants-on-head and head-in-the-sand wrong and being obtuse.

See? A use case. The fact that the ship isn't being custom tailored to the whims of the single example proffered by the devblog does not obviate the entire ship's purpose.

1.a) no since it is a ship for hauling ships, plastic wrap is not a ship.
1.b) IDK but i think that it will be changed to not allow it.

2.a) probably not since it is intended to haul "assembled and rigged ships".
2.b) this part was stated as part of the ship, so i assume it to still be this way.

3) probably not since it does not have a ship maintenance bay.

4) probably not since it does not have a ship maintenance bay that works to generate refitting services.

this is only my understanding of it and may be changed by the devs... i hope it will have refitting and a fleet hanger.

The only small issue I ave with this is the thing was stated to be geared toward incursion runners when it was first talked about. I'm not saying the ship is bad or anything, just that it ended up missing it's intended target. If we can unload fitted ships in space, it will be a dream come true for ganking squads imo and that mean a second use case.

this will probably be my only contribution to this topic, so i will try to sum up my thoughts on this as concisely as possible.

1. usefulness: given that the hull cost will probably be in the billions and the complementary skill will be a long train, there has to be a damn good use case or else this hull will not be used a lot. i myself have quite a few rigged hulls lying around across hisec and i'm still not sure if i want to go through the trouble of getting one of those. this leads me to believe that indeed, only incursion runners will make regular use of the hull.

2. ganking: given the above, there is a very good reason to make this hull virtually ungankable. as we all know, miniluv and CODE are not the only groups killing freighters for sport (and good for them), so the question of dropping ship hulls from the maintenance bay (array?) is less important than the question of exposing expensive assets.

2.1 unfitting shiny mods: this is not a viable solution, not because it makes players choose between tedium and danger (as this balance is present in many parts of EVE), but because it requires a second trip or a second char. if you need to fly twice or have two toons anyway, you might as well fly your ships manually and enjoy faster align times and faster warp speeds.

3. conclusion: if CCP wants to give the hull a solid role, they have to cater to incursion runners, which means raising the EHP to almost 7 digit levels at least. that said, i have no problem accepting another eccentric and underused hull into the EVE universe to counteract the gleichschaltung that is taking place in other areas.

the skill will probably not be any more time than a current freighter skill. maybe x6 training time so maybe an hour for level 1.
and the ship "should be" on par with the other freighters for price in the end.

The disconnect here is that the calls for seven digit EHP and other forms of invincibility assume a position where attempting to evade or out-think the gankers in question is never broached. In a pure PvP game such as Eve: Online, you must keep death in mind at all times. There is no safety. You are prey at all times until you choose to become a predator, and even then you're only not prey if you are at the top of your game.

I see. Funny how in nullsec they have these ships called "titans" that are unkillable by pretty much anything except other titans and dreads. And when they are part of a large fleet with triage carriers, run by lets just say, Goonswarm Federation, they are virtually unkillable at all.

So we already have virtually invincible ships in nullsec, and the game somehow seems to be surviving. If incursion runners get a very tough to gank ship in highsec (replicating the virtual impossibility of ganking cloak + mwd + travel fit incursion battletships currently), that seems unlikely to somehow break the game.

No cargo ship should ever be virtually ungankable right out of the box. If you want that level of security then you must put in the effort to do it yourself.