Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you weren't hauling expensive stuff in that Bowhead your chances of being a target would go down astronomically because ganking costs time and ISK, same as the Bowhead. If it takes 35 dudes in Catalysts (minimum) to take down a (well-tanked) Bowhead the manpower cost is quite high; you need a guy to scan Bowheads looking for a good profit, you need a guy to bump, you need 35 dudes all sitting around waiting on a moment's notice to undock and bring down righteous fury on the careless carebear, you need a guy in a freighter to scoop the loot (that's a major risk) or multiple guys to hop in those ships (still a major risk), you need alts to bring in ganking gear, you need market alts to sell the goods,, etc... The time in person-hours required to take down a Bowhead with destroyers is substantial if you want to be profitable. If you're doing it "for lulz" you still need financing and logistics, which might come from donations (in CODE.'s case) which involves the toil of many other people. A ton of effort goes into a successful gank. Your argument about the effort of and cost to a single player is irrelevant compared to the organization required for ganking.


Your argument amounts to cost being the balancing factor, so they are the same thing. Is not the sweat of my brow equal in worth to yours?

A well tanked bowhead which isn't AFK, not a freighter, and that's if using destroyers.

you sire are mistaken... there are several players who fly multiple ships aka accounts... there are nurmerous players who feild 10 to 20 accounts at a time ...


there are a few... who can and do feild 40 or more accounts at a time for ganking.

There is a megathron in EVE worth around 5-10 trillion isk. Using your logic, this ship should have a tank greater than a fleet of titans.

A warp speed per level bonus would be nice, though probably not necessary. The agility bonus is definitely unnecessary, its original agility was fine considering that it benefits from advanced spaceship command. The only change that needs to be made is reverting the stats back to version 1.

That is the hull. The mods only come to a paltry few hundred billion.

The reality is that the only group in highsec that actually needs to move 3 battleships around at once is incursion runners, and most of them with either have vindi+mach+nm or vindi+nm+scimi+basi,

Either way the hull value alone is getting close to 2 bil....and lots of highsec players will be sticking their expensive mods in as well, so we could easily be looking at 10 bil+ inside. I'm just hoping we don't start seeing these blowing up the same way we see jump freighters blowing up.

Personally I'm gonna wait a couple of months to see the ganking level before I even consider flying this.

build cost then

Fine day to pick cherries...

-The ship should be in the Interbus line
-Not the role of the ship
-Warp speed for a tugboat? Doesn't seem realistic and comparable to other T1 freighters or Orca.
-Removal of jump fatigue bonus (just another way of nul-sec alliances trying to cheat on the power projection nerfs)
-That will sure limit availability and won't add much to regular Industrialist players in Eve. So no.
-Yeah I think 3 BS's seems a bit little and the 1st comments on this thread were to buff the SMA
-Why more CPU? Since suicide ganking we shouldn't discuss and now is not even an issue.

I agree with one of the earlier posters: I'm going to wait for this puppy since it seems pretty clear to me now that it's going to be released with not much more buff to it - basically because of the bias in Eve: ingrained entitlement of gankers (also known as griefers) to have a free cheap dessy lunch in hi-sec. But then that's always the case when new stuff is put out - it is usually only about a half a year or year later of abuse that CCP finally gets around to addressing the problem and it gets fixed. But hey that's Eve! As for me - I'm outta here.