Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My question for you would be - why is it so hard to find a like minded group of people all travelling in the same direction to provide support and scouting? People in nullsec do this all the time - they're called fleets. They manage to move freighters full to bursting of minerals and station/i-hub mods in an area where black ops roam like cows on the prarie and they generally manage to get to the end of the trip in one piece.

If only there was a way to bring some of this space magic to highsec.

Oh, yeah, it's not magic. It's called pulling your head out of your ass and working together to acheive a common goal. The incursion community especially already has the infrastructure and pilots to make this kind of fleet through highsec a reality - you can pull together long to make shedloads of ISK, but to be expected to help out when moving day comes and you act like someone just kicked your favorite puppy.

I guarantee you that the Incursion corps that start making the most ISK will be the ones that make this a reality - they will move their entire operation in an organized single fleet and be up and running long before their less willing to adapt competitors.

FFS people. If you want to be antisocial in a social game, that's fine - but failing to use the available tools to solve your problem is not CCP's problem to fix.

35 destroyers if you tank it properly. And if you're flying solo. If you're caught at all with your 10 second warps. If the fc can even get 35 gankers. Who by the way have to all have perfect skills for this calculation.

And if nobody makes any mistakes. And if there is no interference reducing the effective firepower of the fleet. And if you ignore the huge red circle of death on your star map from the activity of such a large, well trained gank fleet.

Counting the wrecks I saw in Uedama, I suspect the number of destroyers needed is actually smaller. But even assuming what you say is the bare minimum - 35 destroyers, which being wildly conservative here - cost 10mil a piece - that's 350mil to take down a 1bill+ freighter that you probably have already scanned and know exactly what's in the cargo hold - and would attack unless you knew the loot would be worth it.

A freighter by the way that is flying solo in hi-sec, that is pretty much defenseless other than CONCORD which you as gankers have well timed, so you know exactly what you need to take the freighter down and loot it.

So for the cost of 350mil - you get at least a 200% profit and probably even more. You also destroy 300% what you spent in hull damage to your victim. So not only do you make a huge profit from your ganking, you also cause a lot more ISK damage to your victim - who like most freighter pilots in hi-sec fly solo - because they assume they are safe with CONCORD - or they assume 35 cheap dessies shouldn't be able to take down a freighter in hi-sec because hi-sec is suppose to be relatively safe (unless someone has wardecc'd you).

Currently I think the RISK vs REWARD for gankers in hi-sec (not low-sec or nul-sec) is imbalanced. Gankers should have to put out more and sacrifice more if they want to gank in hi-sec. If gankers want to take down a 1bil freighter in hi-sec, then they ought to be willing to sacrifice 1bil in ship hulls to do it. After all - that's exactly what their victims are losing and have been losing like no tomorrow in Uedama and elsewhere.

Sure - I agree with you on all your points. But my point is - is that right now in EVE - I suspect that a good number of players not only fly their ships solo in hi-sec (and mission solo) but also haul their stuff solo in hi-sec. And that you are limiting their game play if you insist that they should fly this new Bowhead ship in a fleet. Unless that really is the design intent of the ship - that it shouldn't be flown solo - but only in groups. Then fine. I think that will limit the utility of the ship for many Eve players - since you're forcing solo players in hi-sec to play in a way that they currently don't play in this sandbox called Eve.

Is it just me, or is there some kind of prejudice against solo players? What the heck is wrong with wanting to be a solo industrialist in Eve? Or having an alt that is a solo Industrialist? Am I the only one that has an alt that does this? I doubt it very much tbh.

There's nothing wrong with it. But your expectations are out of whack if you reasonably expect your solo toon to be more effective at competing than a group.

I play "solo" most of the time and I have never been ganked in a hauler (Orca on down) in high-sec because it is laughably easy to avoid it (and I don't fly a freighter because I a) don't need it and never will, and b) don't bother with a second account): pick the right ship for the job, tank it and fit it as needed (don't forget about "align" and "cloak" tanks!), stay at the keyboard, warp to 0, bring friends as needed, don't haul overly expensive stuff in it, etc... I play the game, I don't put things on autopilot and expect it to get there in one piece because this is a game all about player interaction, and anyone can ruin your day at a moment's notice if you don't actually play.



As always, it is up to the player to make choices on how and when something is to be flown. That's the great thing about this game, even flying "solo" you can and will affect other's actions (in this case, to gank something else). The entitlement here from people who want everything delivered to them on a silver platter with no effort or having some expectation that other people cannot affect them in a free-market PvP game is just disgusting.

This thing has midslots and oodles of fitting options, plus plenty of inherent tank. I don't see any problems with it, although I'll bow to the CSM rep here and agree that it could use a bit more tank, but it's pretty solid as-is. Can it MWD align?

Actually it's the gankers here that have been arguing for "entitlement" i.e. their entitlement to use a bunch of cheap dessies to take down a Billion+ freighter and its goods. You don't see any problems but many of us do i.e. it's pretty straightforward these days to take down a freighter in Uedama by a group of cheap dessies. In fact, there's not much of a challenge taking down a defenseless ship in hi-sec, and I often wonder if the griefers have anything more challenging in life to do. But hey, not my cup of tea.

On a side note: you can't lift yourself up with your own bootstraps if you don't have any boots.

Yeah - that's what I'm saying. If you spend a billion ISK on a freighter, than something around a billion ISK should be spent to take it down in hi-sec. That gankers shouldn't be entitled to take it down unless they also risk what the freighter pilot is risking - a billion ISK.

I don't think it's ridiculous. I think it's reasonable. RISK vs REWARD. Right now gankers want to risk a lot less than the Industrialist flying a freighter. The Industrialist has already put much effort and TIME to build his freighter and use it for shipping. While how much time and ISK does it take for 20 so cheap dessy gankers to take that ship down?

There is no design equivalency right now. The gankers feel they are entitled because of some kind of motto that in EVE, everyone should be forced to group up or PvP - just so entitled gankers have nothing to whine about.

Irrelevant? Bowhead is suppose to be some kind freighter level ship. It is going to be a capital ship at the least. Perhaps not an expensive freighter but nevertheless somewhere between 700mil to 1bil is my guess. Maybe Orca level. How you find that irrelevant is beyond my ken.

Hey - It's not just me who flies solo and does solo stuff in Eve. If you think I'm some kind of anomaly player in hi-sec i.e. there are not a lot of solo missioners or people who haul their stuff solo or would want to use a ship hauling tugboat solo - then tbh, you're better off believing in Never Never Land - because there are lots of Eve players who do play solo and enjoy it.

.... Irrelevant, since you know as well as I that the current cheap dessy paradigm in Uedama will still be able to take the Bow down - risking a lot less ISK than it's actually worth.