Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good job bringing the stench right back to the thread. The gankers and gank supporters are the most detrimental to quality discussion. Regardless of the validity of their claims, Their attitudes and methods deter constructive discussion.

This is the last I'm going to comment on it as I genuinely don't want this to all devolve right back into a trollfest, I encourage you to feel the same.

P.S. Nice edit from "grr ganking" to a poorly spelled "Entitlement".

Doesnt matter what either of us do. I would love to have just one new ship thread in which I could actually have a real debate on how we can use the ship and explore all of its possibilities without people diving in and demanding daft things like being able to transport tens of billions in perfect safety.

as stated by devs and the CSM as well as most of the folks who have been working on this thing from the start... it was idea driven for incursioners... and highsec players....

the constant push for gankers/pvpers to be able to kill it in high sec is just gankers/pirates and griefers wanting to make sure they can still get the tears and or pinyatas they enjoy doing now..



This ship again as stated by the devs and the CSMs and many others was and is being brought to light to help highsec and incursioners get around and enjoy their aspect to the game...

You want more PVP... or meat to grind in your low/null grief areas fine push for it in some other thread.

I'm woefully aware, I've been studiously trudging through it all to stay current.



I agree it needs more tank to support it's likely and best suited usage case. I also feel very strongly that while providing a solution for the very real demand for a way to haul 2 faction BS's + 2 Logi's with a relative sense of safety given the greed inducing nature of the cargo there DOES need to be opportunity to overstuff. Regretfully, given the scale of value on the incursion runners cargo vs the shear amount of ships you can stuff in it of a smaller scale and the impact on force projection does present a very difficult balance situation.

I think what they did for the DST's was a creative solution as opposed to simply slapping on more HP. They addressed the potential for conflict with mechanics that could make that anticipated conflict interesting.

CCP, PLEASE! make this ship an interesting chess piece on the game board. GIve it a MJD, or a way to short term hunker down and endure a gank. Give it someting like the marauders, or a rorqual, or give it an overheat bonus, or give it a small fuel bay and a shield simiilar to a P.O.S.. SOMETHING that's more interesting than achieve X amount of DPS and the bowhead loses.

By simply defining a max HP for the ship you make it very easy to spreadsheet the outcome. By providing more MEANINGFUL variables to the situation you increase the quality of the conflict by making the outcome less predictable. As I recall, with the jump fatigue changes, CCP is (or was) on board with developing content they can't fully predict the outcome of because if CCP can fully predict it, so can everyone else. I would love to see that logic come to this ship as well.



All good questions M!

I can get behind this logic.




I agree it would be nice, but it feels incredibly unnecessary given you can store ammo inside of ships inside the SMA. If you need more space for ammo, put a small industrial in your hold with ammo in it and VOILA!



People that can fly this should already be able to fly an orca which is better suited for this purpose anyways. While it would be fun to have on it, I don't feel it serves a purpose for the goals of this ship nor do i feel the goals for this ship would benefit from a shift in this direction.




It would be fun to have it more like a neutered high sec carier than a niche freighter, I don't have high hopes that CCP would be that awesome to us :p

No high slots, you add them then we will fit a cloak and use them as mobile depots for fleet actions.

Tank is perfectly fine, it is ment to cover transporting three t2 fitted t1 battleships not multi billion fitted pirate battleships.

And incursioners do not need to move 10 bil isk on it. If they have brains. No 3 BS hulls with rigs will cost ahtt uch. You move your damm super expensive modules in INTERCEPTOR or Blockade runner (that are both very fast and take 6-7 min to go fro mone staging to the next one)

It simply doesn't need more tank. 3x t2 fitted battleships works out as roughly a billion isk. To gank a well fitted bowhead with talos would cost a good deal more than 1 bil.

I try to learn and to do that I have to be willing to admit where I do and do not know things. Only time I was in a gank fleet it was to NOT shoot in hopes their calculations would be off enough that they would all die without target destruction.

700k+ eh? wow

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You do realize you're saying that to the guy bringing you a shiney new loot pinata for christmas right?