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EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#21 - 2014-11-10 11:28:23 UTC
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:
So.. I copied this from your terms & conditions.


The bounty will only be published on the website once the ISK is received and the transaction is processed

We reserve the right to decline payment to someone who is deemed ‘exploiting the system’

Every effort will be made to ensure that the hunter claiming the bounty will be an official bounty hunter and not exploiting the bounty system.


If the bounty is made public, how will you make sure that the person does not kill himself with an alt?

How can you proof someone is exploiting the system?

The answer: You can not prevent that people exploit the system which puts you in the same boat ccp was with the old bounty mechanic.


That is unfortunately true, all I can hope though is the following:

Person A kills person B for whatever reason, after being killed person B feels like he is angry enough with Person A to put a bounty on his head, so he comes to us and does that.

Person A right now does not know that they have a bounty on there head, you see they will not get a ingame notification about it, so this way they are not prepared in any way to be hunted down and killed by the bounty hunters.

So unless every single criminal in EVE decides to visit my site every day they will never know when a bounty is placed on them.

I know some will get lucky and perhaps fool the system, but that will not be the majority.
Darth Schweinebacke
Wings of Fury.
#22 - 2014-11-10 11:36:42 UTC
EVE Online Bounty wrote:


So unless every single criminal in EVE decides to visit my site every day they will never know when a bounty is placed on them.

I know some will get lucky and perhaps fool the system, but that will not be the majority.


If this would become a service used by many people you can be pretty sure that the criminals will regularly check the site.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#23 - 2014-11-10 12:04:13 UTC
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:
So.. I copied this from your terms & conditions.


The bounty will only be published on the website once the ISK is received and the transaction is processed

We reserve the right to decline payment to someone who is deemed ‘exploiting the system’

Every effort will be made to ensure that the hunter claiming the bounty will be an official bounty hunter and not exploiting the bounty system.


If the bounty is made public, how will you make sure that the person does not kill himself with an alt?

How can you proof someone is exploiting the system?

The answer: You can not prevent that people exploit the system which puts you in the same boat ccp was with the old bounty mechanic.


That if anything seems pretty easy.

If the target is killed in an empty pod then no payout should be made.

However if the target is for example killed in a T3 in low sec or his faction fit Marauder is suicide ganked in 0.5 then the kill is legitimate.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Darth Schweinebacke
Wings of Fury.
#24 - 2014-11-10 12:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Schweinebacke
Angelique Duchemin wrote:


That if anything seems pretty easy.

If the target is killed in an empty pod then no payout should be made.

However if the target is for example killed in a T3 in low sec or his faction fit Marauder is suicide ganked in 0.5 then the kill is legitimate.


But that does not just punish the people exploiting the system, but also legitimate people who happen to get an easy kill. Which does not really help with it being a trustworthy service.

Putting up a minimum value of the kill does not make a lot of sense either, as in the end it still either is profitable to kill yourself or you end up with a ratio which is worse than the ratio in the current ingame bounty mechanic.
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#25 - 2014-11-10 13:44:05 UTC
There are some good point here so far in the thread about the exploit or possible exploits and solutions to that.

I do believe however that the amount of effort to regularly check the boards for your name and to ensure that it is an active bounty and not a expired one would eventually become to much of a hassle for the criminals who are just ganking random miners and such, I do believe there will be those special few who will regularly check the boards to see what is going on but then again there are ways around that.

I am working on an API system to be implemented for bounty hunters.
There are also possible plans for being a verified bounty hunter (one with an API) and a non-verified bounty hunter.

All these things will develop with time and I am glad to have the responses here and ideas you all have been posting.

Thank you very much :)
Darth Schweinebacke
Wings of Fury.
#26 - 2014-11-10 13:58:23 UTC
EVE Online Bounty wrote:
There are some good point here so far in the thread about the exploit or possible exploits and solutions to that.

I do believe however that the amount of effort to regularly check the boards for your name and to ensure that it is an active bounty and not a expired one would eventually become to much of a hassle for the criminals who are just ganking random miners and such, I do believe there will be those special few who will regularly check the boards to see what is going on but then again there are ways around that.

I am working on an API system to be implemented for bounty hunters.
There are also possible plans for being a verified bounty hunter (one with an API) and a non-verified bounty hunter.

All these things will develop with time and I am glad to have the responses here and ideas you all have been posting.

Thank you very much :)


Unless you make it very hard on purpose to find yourself in the bounty list it takes just a few seconds to check. If i am listed on a page with my name, all I need to do is open the page (which I have already bookmarked) enter my name into my browsers search function and in just a few seconds I have the info I want.

API system is all good and well, but even with a full API there is no way to be 100% sure that it is not an alt and I hardly doubt that anyone is really willing to give you anything more than real low level API access, except for maybe a few individual players.

I can hardly imagine that someone in a large corp / alliance will give some random 3rd party a full api key.

p.s. I am not trying to stop you, I am pretty sure I can profit from your idea so by all means, do it ;).
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#27 - 2014-11-13 16:36:13 UTC
We have moved to a new domain and updated our website as well as the functionality of it.

This is version 2.0 of the website and the bounty hunting system.

If you want to claim bounties you have to be registered as a hunter on the website, this can be done from here
Paranoid Loyd
#28 - 2014-11-13 17:24:04 UTC
You're not really dumb enough to be using a domain that tells everyone your RL name are you?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#29 - 2014-11-13 17:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Online Bounty
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You're not really dumb enough to be using a domain that tells everyone your RL name are you?


Due to the forum rules of DOXING I am not able to confirm that or deny that.

I would suggest you do not bring this up again unless you want incur the wrath of the moderators
Paranoid Loyd
#30 - 2014-11-13 17:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
So you are that dumb, I suggest changing it considering how worked up people get with the criminal elements of this game. Although with eve-search it is already too late.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#31 - 2014-11-13 18:00:46 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
So you are that dumb, I suggest changing it considering how worked up people get with the criminal elements of this game. Although with eve-search it is already too late.


If I must answer your question then no its not?

Better?
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-11-13 18:09:37 UTC
lol verified bounty hunters

this website looks like a nice scam

good job Smile
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#33 - 2014-11-13 18:18:53 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
lol verified bounty hunters

this website looks like a nice scam

good job Smile


It looks nice because it is not a scam, but thank you for taking the time to voice your incorrect assumption of the website and its purpose.
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#34 - 2014-11-16 03:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jurico Elemenohpe
Yeah. Get Chribba to hold the isk.. If you can convince him.
Anyway, to counter (part of) the "alt exploit" thing, could you add something so that the person posting the bounty can choose the minimum kill price?
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#35 - 2014-11-16 08:24:43 UTC
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
Yeah. Get Chribba to hold the isk.. If you can convince him.
Anyway, to counter (part of) the "alt exploit" thing, could you add something so that the person posting the bounty can choose the minimum kill price?


That is an interesting idea about the minimum amount for the kill....

Thank you :)
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-11-16 08:34:25 UTC
I think it would be unreasonable to expect Chribba to partake in the administration of a bounty system. If this took off there would be a lot of admin work to do!
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#37 - 2014-11-16 10:15:55 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
I think it would be unreasonable to expect Chribba to partake in the administration of a bounty system. If this took off there would be a lot of admin work to do!


Precisely what I was thinking, that is why I said nothing :)
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#38 - 2014-11-16 13:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jurico Elemenohpe
Renegade Heart wrote:
I think it would be unreasonable to expect Chribba to partake in the administration of a bounty system. If this took off there would be a lot of admin work to do!
hm, really? If someone could set up an api puller for him, people send the isk with a certain message (egg. Bounty pay), it pulls from api and compares it wih the site, and then the site shows the bounty (only shows once isk is verified), so people could see it, and then they can submit a kill mail to the bounty, it compares the kill mail and bounty requirements, if it matches, remove the bounty, if it doesn't, give an error message with what went wrong. If the bounty gets removed, it gets added to Chribbas "to pay" thing on the site, where he can freeze all bounty payouts (so there's an error given when people submit kill mail), he copies the total isk for all bounty payouts, sends that to EOB and then presses a button to send all the payouts to eob, and then he(eob) processes the payouts, which clears the "to be paid" list, and then he unfreezes it and voila.

Now that I thinks about it, that sounds like a lot of work.
Another suggestion/question: Can people set the amount of times they want a bounty to be paid out? Or do they submit multiple bounty requests? If the latter, could you add a qty. option as well?

E: now that I'm re reading my op, it looks confusing. I'm gonna make a picture.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-11-16 13:41:50 UTC
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
I think it would be unreasonable to expect Chribba to partake in the administration of a bounty system. If this took off there would be a lot of admin work to do!
hm, really? If someone could set up an api puller for him, people send the isk with a certain message (egg. Bounty pay), it pulls from api and compares it wih the site, and then the site shows the bounty (only shows once isk is verified), so people could see it, and then they can submit a kill mail to the bounty, it compares the kill mail and bounty requirements, if it matches, remove the bounty, if it doesn't, give an error message with what went wrong. If the bounty gets removed, it gets added to Chribbas "to pay" thing on the site, where he can freeze all bounty payouts (so there's an error given when people submit kill mail), he copies the total isk for all bounty payouts, sends that to EOB and then presses a button to send all the payouts to eob, and then he(eob) processes the payouts, which clears the "to be paid" list, and then he unfreezes it and voila.

Now that I thinks about it, that sounds like a lot of work.
Another suggestion/question: Can people set the amount of times they want a bounty to be paid out? Or do they submit multiple bounty requests? If the latter, could you add a qty. option as well?

E: now that I'm re reading my op, it looks confusing. I'm gonna make a picture.


So not only do you want Chribba to do all this work, but now you want his wallet API key too? What?
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#40 - 2014-11-16 13:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jurico Elemenohpe
Renegade Heart wrote:
So not only do you want Chribba to do all this work, but now you want his wallet API key too? What?

Yep! Problem bro? Although it's not actually a lot of work.. Just a few clicks daily. A bit like PI?

Come up with a new method that doesn't require his API.. I don't think it does.. Still thinking about it.
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