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Buff Nighthawk Powergrid
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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-11-27 13:46:52 UTC
Right now at 710 MW, while other command ships have 1200+


It can't even fit a gang link.

Shocked
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-27 13:51:26 UTC
Other command ships dont have missile launchers.

If you want to compare the nighthawks fitting trouble to anything, compare it to the teir 2 tech 1 drake which gets 140 more grid (18%) with only one extra launcher slot to fill.

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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-11-27 14:01:23 UTC
Other command ships however can fit their weapons AND a ganglink without fitting mods.
Captain Mastiff
#4 - 2011-11-27 15:45:39 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
Other command ships however can fit their weapons AND a ganglink without fitting mods.


QFT

Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-27 15:54:05 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
Right now at 710 MW, while other command ships have 1200+


It can't even fit a gang link.

Shocked



Did it take a long time to train for ?
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#6 - 2011-11-27 16:29:17 UTC
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1508537&page=1#29

Quote:
Why don't you fix NH's powergrid issue? Everyone agrees it's broken.


Quote:
NH balance - is the Nighthawk actually underpowered? I see people saying that there's things that they'd like to be able to do but can't due to grid issues, but is this driven by "the NH is really underpowered/under-used compared to other ships in its class because of this grid issue"?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2011-11-27 18:28:39 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Other command ships dont have missile launchers.


So what?

After fitting a full rack of HML IIs and a ganglink, the NightHawk has 120.5 PG left
After fitting a full rack of HAM IIs and a ganglink, the Nighthawk has 7.1 PG left Roll

After fitting a full rack of HPL IIs and a ganglink, the Absolution has 521.35 PG remaining
After fitting a full rack of HBL IIs and a ganglink, the Absolution has 283.75 PG remaining

After fitting a full rack of 425mm AC IIs and a ganglink, the Sleipnir has 654.8 PG remaining
After fitting a full rack of 720mm Arty IIs and a ganglink, the Sleipnir has a deficit of 107.5PG - but it has the option of dropping to a lower tier waepon system, the 650mm Arty II, leaving it with 239 PG. The Nighthawk has no such option.


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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2011-11-27 18:39:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Other command ships dont have missile launchers.


So what?

After fitting a full rack of HML IIs and a ganglink, the NightHawk has 120.5 PG left
After fitting a full rack of HAM IIs and a ganglink, the Nighthawk has 7.1 PG left Roll

After fitting a full rack of HPL IIs and a ganglink, the Absolution has 521.35 PG remaining
After fitting a full rack of HBL IIs and a ganglink, the Absolution has 283.75 PG remaining

After fitting a full rack of 425mm AC IIs and a ganglink, the Sleipnir has 654.8 PG remaining
After fitting a full rack of 720mm Arty IIs and a ganglink, the Sleipnir has a deficit of 107.5PG - but it has the option of dropping to a lower tier waepon system, the 650mm Arty II, leaving it with 239 PG. The Nighthawk has no such option.




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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2011-11-27 18:45:32 UTC
In before someone claims that the Nighthawk doesn't need a prop mod because of missiles.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-11-27 18:57:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Raven Ether
Easy fix for obvious problem. /sigh


So because some other command ships might be even shittier, the NH shouldn't be fixed.

How about they are all brought in line? I guess typing a few numbers is too difficult. Other devs fix balance in a short amount of time, and deal with a lot more complex issues than that. With CCP we have to wait for years for them to change a few numbers around.



and I can't make sense out of Greyscale's answer.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2011-11-27 19:22:58 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
Other devs fix balance in a short amount of time, and deal with a lot more complex issues than that. With CCP we have to wait for years for them to change a few numbers around.


Probably because CCP has one of the most hateful and entitlement ridden playerbases. I wouldn't want to fix anything for you people either.

Katrina Oniseki
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2011-11-27 19:24:37 UTC
Forums Derp, Double Post.

Katrina Oniseki
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-27 19:41:11 UTC
Try harder.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#14 - 2011-11-27 19:44:34 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:

and I can't make sense out of Greyscale's answer.

It wasn't supposed to be an answer. Merely a runaround. Just check out the rest of my questions and the stuff I got back.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-27 19:50:32 UTC
I have a better idea, don't fit ganglinks on nighthawks

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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#16 - 2011-11-27 19:54:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
I have a better idea, don't fit ganglinks on nighthawks

It lacks grid regardless.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2011-11-27 19:56:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
I have a better idea, don't fit ganglinks on nighthawks


Yeah who puts ganglinks on Commandships?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2011-11-27 20:04:51 UTC
Well the next question is whats the dps at full racks and no upgrades?

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Dewgong
Order of the Black Dagger
#19 - 2011-11-27 20:15:03 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Other command ships dont have missile launchers.


So what?

After fitting a full rack of HML IIs and a ganglink, the NightHawk has 120.5 PG left
After fitting a full rack of HAM IIs and a ganglink, the Nighthawk has 7.1 PG left Roll

After fitting a full rack of HPL IIs and a ganglink, the Absolution has 521.35 PG remaining
After fitting a full rack of HBL IIs and a ganglink, the Absolution has 283.75 PG remaining

After fitting a full rack of 425mm AC IIs and a ganglink, the Sleipnir has 654.8 PG remaining
After fitting a full rack of 720mm Arty IIs and a ganglink, the Sleipnir has a deficit of 107.5PG - but it has the option of dropping to a lower tier weapon system, the 650mm Arty II, leaving it with 239 PG. The Nighthawk has no such option.



lol beams on an Abso, that's cute.

You shouldn't be putting a ganglink on a NH in general, and for the Abso, you fit a 1600mm plate and there goes 500 PG like that. Drop DPS for moar tank or just drop the ganglink? Caldari ships in general have ****** PG. So one is gimped more than the others, be happy you don't have to armor tank. It may seem like alot to you, but even with 283 PG left on an Abso, that's still a really tight fit. At least fitting mods don't take up your tanking slots.

Also, LOL Sleipnir.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#20 - 2011-11-27 20:26:55 UTC
Meanwhile the thread got moved to Ships & Modules.

R.I.P.

No one from CCP will ever bother unswering here.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
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