EVE General Discussion

My .02 cents:

I'll go into lowsec to do PvE but is more akin to a trip to the casino. I fly a ship that I can afford to lose and hope that by the time I lose it, I made a profit. I don't have the time (or desire) to play EVE all day everyday. When my time is especially limited, and I can only play for an hour or so, I do high sec missions. The return on my my time invested is guaranteed. I don't have to fleetup only to travel somewhere to bail shortly after I get there.

I fly a T1, T2 fit BS, I don't have a pimped out marauder raking in a kajillion and hour raking in the cash. I don't enjoy missioning immensely but I don't hate it either; it is just something I have to do to keep my wallet from hitting 0 when I engage in the activities I do enjoy.

A game can't be setup in a way that denies a player some bare minimum of reward for the time the spent playing it. The line to walk is debatable but no more should a player expect instant gratification in a game than they should to not being able to accomplish anything.

When I want to roll the dice I'll PvE in low, null, or wh space. Missioning is often dull work, but with my particular schedule it keeps me in T1 ships so that I can actually explore other aspects of the game I frankly enjoy more, but offer little in the way of reward outside of enjoying doing them. If i did not have a reliable revenue stream i would be unable to enjoy the game

When I NEED isk I do missions in High Sec. I don't have infinite time, so spending an hour to get a guaranteed 50ish mil is sometimes preferable to spending an hour of my time coming away with nothing. Nerf the rewards and I would then have to spend more time doing an activity that I'm only doing in the first place to fund other activities.

Now do I know when I take a PvE dive into less secure space that I'll walk away "Richie Rich" or be left naked and floating in space? No. I wish I had a Magic 8-ball just for EVE that would tell me before I log on whether or not likely a session I devoted to making some e-cash would in fact, result in no e-cash. I would then know to spend that hour doing just about anything OTHER than playing EVE.

I can still be ganked, griefed, ninja looted, wardecced, and have assorted horrible misdeeds done to me in High. It just can't be done with no way out and no repercussions for the offender. What I won't be doing in high however, is wasting 90% of a limited hour or so play session avoiding PvP in a PvE fit ship and maybe 10% of it actually doing PvE, especially when my goal for that session was to make some ISK.

If that 10% of actual PVE yielded the guaranteed return of a High Sec mission or two, sure I'd do it. But by the time all the prisoners are done chasing me around the shower room it usually doesn't considering how much risk you put yourself in and time you spend mitigating it.

All this ignores the fact that some players just prefer PVE and High Sec is more conducive for that type of play. Nerfing it isn't going to turn them into PvPer's or line soldiers for your Null Bloc, it's just going to make them find another game. If anything CCP should present more attractive PvE options in less secure space to attract players there, like they did with the sites that got added to WH's, it'd be healthier for the game. Use positive reinforcement and incentives to nurture the player behavior you want. Everybody gets something then. Don't disenfranchise players, especially when the changes are suggested by those who are the only ones that benefit from them.

I believe that one reason there is not more low security activity is that the buffs to high sec safety have made the transition between high and low to jarring for those who do not understand that losing ships in a spaceship shooting game is normal. The alteration to high sec game mechanics to make it safer have also limited the exposure to said mechanics that high sec dwellers have.

I think the problem with this logic is that it blames the individual new players as opposed to the experienced players. Can new players go to lowsec and set up shop? Of course not...it's a suicide mission. But then again the same applies to null and wormholes. Yet new players move there all the time. Why? Because corps are set up and recruit them. This is not true in lowsec...people don't set up lowsec PvE corps and recruit with them publicly. That tells me that the feeling is that lowsec PvE isn't really viable, and that the risk/reward doesn't justify creation and recruitment into lowsec corps. So it's not highsec risk aversion, it's experienced players deciding that a lowsec PvE corp just ain't worth it.

Yep - that is the one part of lowsec that has activity and recruitment...and notice that risk aversion doesn't deter highsec players from joining. The question remains why there is no similar structure for doing PvE in lowsec given the substantial awards available.

Yep - that is the one part of lowsec that has activity and recruitment...and notice that risk aversion doesn't deter highsec players from joining. /quote]

Lol wow. At least warn me beforehand, I need to take a deep breath before I laugh that much.

Yeah, Tears, there are totally no risk averse farmers in faction warfare, right?

er ... the corpies who share their rewards, and don't remain insular and independent. There's a reason why some pople are successful in corps.

It's more like those in the pew see it's fun to keep it unprofitable.

Geeze, after reading the OP, I wonder how I ever manage to zip in and out of low on such a regular basis! I must be doing it wrong.

I can't believe that I actually just read what you quoted. Is this what the internet does to people?

Ha! No time to explain this, but money supply does not determine inflation. You need to look at supply/demand curves, and here if stuff is increasing more than isk, that means more demand for isk, and deflation, even with increasing money supply. Exactly what is happening in Eve. Stop laughing and start thinking a bit.