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Why I don't go to lowsec.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-08 21:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.

So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.


So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.

I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...

So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.


So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?


Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.

Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-11-08 21:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Lol

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2014-11-08 21:21:20 UTC
tl;dr.

Not prepared to go to lowsec
Goes to lowsec anyway.
grr lowsec content.


☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#4 - 2014-11-08 21:23:07 UTC
You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.

lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-11-08 21:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Mharius Skjem wrote:
You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.

lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing.



No amount of map checking is going to tell me the ships sitting on the next gate, they could be anywhere. But put murphies law to it and they will only be there if I jump, so the best decision is to not jump.

I figure if you put murphies law into the game you should be pretty safe. I decided against the obvious and lost stuff. Course having alts takes care of most of those problems, while friends do not. I mean whos wanting to jump into a meat grinder so their friend can jump through and go get his content.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#6 - 2014-11-08 21:31:47 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.

So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.


So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.

I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...

So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.


So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?


Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.

Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.


I am a Brave Newbie ... I live in Null. And so can you.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2014-11-08 21:34:08 UTC
You(op) sound like Yossarian from Catch 22.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Maekchu
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-11-08 21:34:29 UTC
Came for tears. Left satisfied.
Heavens Deliverance
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-08 21:38:15 UTC
Quote:

No amount of map checking is going to tell me the ships sitting on the next gate, they could be anywhere.


No you are right about the map but why don't you just learn to be safe warping to gates sensibly if you are vulnerable and learn to dscan....

:O
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#10 - 2014-11-08 21:44:29 UTC
I do PI in low-sec and all I ever see are noob-ships and cynos.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#11 - 2014-11-08 21:44:51 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.

So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.


So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.

I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...

So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.


So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?


Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.

Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.


So rather than figure out where you went wrong , leanr form it, and make a plan for success in the future (while chalking this one up to a learning experience and accepting that rewards are sometimes randomw in EVE), you choose to try once, fail (because of your own ignorance), skitter back to high sec and make a snarky and useless forum post.

Yep, high sec is the place for you, which is why I won't even bother telling you the 8 things you did wrong here.
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#12 - 2014-11-08 21:46:56 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:

Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.

From a lowbear who have fun in LS, my only answer is Roll
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#13 - 2014-11-08 21:49:00 UTC
I gave it an extremely brief read, and I identified four pretty damning mistakes.

Enough to make me think that if this isn't manufactured outrage (which, in my opinion is rather likely), then the OP is pretty damn bad at this game.

Nontheless, I enjoyed your tears over what must have been less than twenty million worth of ships and mods, OP. By all means, continue.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#14 - 2014-11-08 21:53:40 UTC
Adapt or die. Darwin's law is more accurate than Murphy's law when describing eve.

❤️️💛💚💙💜
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-11-08 21:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
I had more fun when I actually lived in lowsec. It was a dead end system which we took from some campers. We eventually got pushed out due to complications.

I tried null, but that kept going badly, interceptor killing everything non combat in a station less transit system, the unfit apoc sitting in system for 5 minutes being killed and not even calling for help. I only got curious and warped in as he died. Otherwise if you attempted to warp to the inty in anything pewpew, he was already 2 systems out by the time you landed.

I finally left null when warping to a gate resulted in a T2 frigate blob outa nowhere. But hey the corp gained 300 mill in rat loots, not like I was getting that out of there.

My pvp fun used to involve an ice belt in highsec, and no it wasn't ganking. It was getting yellow and fighting whoever shot at me.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-11-08 21:56:54 UTC
This month's losses were pretty bad, OP, but you did good in August out in null. Try harder?

CCP has no sense of humour.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-11-08 21:59:42 UTC
Yes! Lowsec is real, lowsec is awesome!

OP, lowsec is for PVP.

Sure, besides PVP you can do anything you want in lowsec. For example, I also manufacture and trade in lowsec.

But...

Lowsec works best for you if you embrace PVP. Only then will you truly learn also how to avoid pvp when you're minding your PVE or ISK-making business.

If you're not interested in PVP, you're better off in highsec or in a nullbear corp.


Fly fun!

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-11-08 22:00:01 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
This month's losses were pretty bad, OP, but you did good in August out in null. Try harder?



I wasn't much of a contribution to those, just a tag along on coms.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-11-08 22:06:44 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
This month's losses were pretty bad, OP, but you did good in August out in null. Try harder?

I wasn't much of a contribution to those, just a tag along on coms.

So you have the stones to play PvP out in null and low before this month, and then you lose three ships and a pod ... and are now whining in GD?

Yeah, go back to high-sec. Make sure to post about how gankers are bad people too.

CCP has no sense of humour.
somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#20 - 2014-11-08 22:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: somedudeinaship
Usually gate camps require a little bit of situational awareness. If they have an instalock you're probably toast unless you can burn back to gate and get your butt back through it. Even then they might see you're going and head back across, but it's better then nothing. Or you can do the other thing which is to fit warp stabs on your lows and try to push through the gate regardless. You'll probably be well into armor or even hull if they hit you hard enough but you'll likely warp off if they aren't expecting it.

I've been trying a lot of random fits too as I suck at pvp for the most part. If you're skills are low you might still be able to win if you know what you're up against. I've made the mistake of fitting different ships as well and frankly I think that it might actually be the worse thing for a new player to do. It's perhaps best for those of us less experienced in pvp to stick to one ship type. Try out ranged fits with drones or long range missile boats in my opinion. If you can pick them off at range and they aren't an inty or tackle ships then maybe you have a chance. But again there's a lot that goes on in a fight in EVE.

There are things to take into account like radial velocity, angular velocity, time to lock target, optimal and falloff ranges and chance to do perfect damage, knowing other ships typical fittings, using ammo that can exploit the targets weak spots, and oh so much more.

If you want to use a drone boat then maybe just focus on continuing to train up drone support skills, drone skills, and gallente all the way up to V, plus armor or shield skills up to IV or V each. Fitting is important as well and you might want to try to push cap management, powergrid and cpu skills all up to IV if not V as well.

I am definitely no pro but I have had a month or so experience in fw, my killboard is horrendous but frankly I think that's how most start out at first. Especially those of us that aren't naturally good at pvp or competitive gaming in general.

EDIT: Btw as far as I am aware quite a few people that pvp in lo have alternate forms of income doing incursions, level 4's and DED complexes, ratting, etc to fund their pvp. It's good to have perhaps several hundred million to blow while you fit your ships and learn to pvp. ALSO, you can always buy your fittings and ships and contract them to Black Frog to be delivered to whichever home system you want in lowsec. AND JOIN A CORP IN PVP, it's way more fun!!!
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