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Suicide gank, a simple answer !
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#61 - 2014-11-08 16:13:47 UTC
I agree with the OP. We should get -5 statues after ganks. First CCP needs to enable us to display them properly in our CQ though. Which i might use if i could chase around my Fedo or oogle at my four -5 statues.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Paranoid Loyd
#62 - 2014-11-08 18:38:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
I checked his killboard and I realized this guy is able to spam those suicide ganks.
You must not have looked very closely, the past three months he has averaged killing less than 1 ship a day and the first two months he killed less than two ships a day. I would hardly call that "spamming those suicide ganks" especially when you consider how many T1 haulers go through the systems he frequents.

Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
The problem is he has actually only a security status of -1 and doesn't suffer at all to do what he does.
He has taken the time to understand the mechanics of his trade and uses them to his advantage, it is the same with any other aspect of PVP in this game. It is possible to make him suffer and gets exponentially easier the less he understands about the mechanics but it is designed to be the burden of the players to take action not the mechanics of the game. Just as it is by design that the players have to be the ones to create the target in the first place by making themselves profitable to be ganked or taking some other action that leaves them exposed and demonstrating that they do not know how to protect their things.

Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
What made me post is not my personnal experience, but the addition of 2 other mates. One was a begginer who bought plexes, bought expensiv stuff and was ganked in a T1 transport ship for 1b after 5 hours of game (I was not here to warn him to don't do it), the second one is a friend who plays eve since 2004 and used an expensiv ship to make l4 and was ganked in high sec (he lost for 2.4b). Myself I am really ok with what I lost, this is part of the game, no problems, my "noob" friend had like a trauma, really, my veteran friend was a bit surprised by seeing it. In every case, gankers who did it, for the killboard, for the loot, has no real issue after doing what they did.
We are all responsible for protecting our things, that is one of the principles of the game, once you leave the starter system you are under no one's protection but yourself, some of us learn the hard way, when I was a noob I tried to haul a billion from Dodixie to Jita and it was taken from me within a few jumps of me leaving Dodixie, i was pretty upset but I did a little research and learned this is part of how the game works, I am responsible for my protection not the game. I took the time to understand the mechanics and now the billion is insignificant. Not to mention if I really wanted to I could haul that load without issue now that I understand how these mechanics work. If you are truly traumatized from losing space pixels you probably shouldn't be playing the game.

Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
I was always carefull myself to never transport more than 200 million of stuff but I did 2 mistakes : First one was to think that giant secure containers may descourage him to gank, bcse of the security, after talking with the guy he told me he just have to repackage the container to get the loot. My second mistake was to moove expensiv stuff to try multiple item sell in jita to compare it to dodixie.

Sure, I did mistakes, in eve, generally when you loose a ship it is due to the mistake you do.
I make mistakes too, made a pretty costly one last night. But I learned from it, adjusted my tactics and moved on. I am eager to see if the changes I have made are effective as while the changes solve one problem they open me up to another, the question is whether or not my opposition will notice the change and be able to adapt. The moment we become complacent bad things happen, that is one of the reasons this game is great.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Miromme Echerie
Doomheim
#63 - 2014-11-09 03:51:22 UTC
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Because you can't seem to post a coherent thought.

What you don't understand ? I can explain if needed, seems you need explanations :

If players descover new way to have fun and make suicide ganks, this is really good. The thing is : It has to be more challanging.

Actually there is nothing hard to do it and it requires low skills. You can stay with a penalty of : -2.5 of sec statue in high sec, farm missions and stay kinda as you want in high sec.

Now imagine this : If you want to do suicide gank, it has to be juicy, something you will remember, and then, it will push you to play in low sec for a while.

As simple as that.

The actual system makes suicide gankers like a business with no challange at all.
Well, other than the fact that it's not hard to avoid facpo, so changing the sec status penalty only bothers noobs, it doesn't make it more challenging, it just means they need to farm rats for a few hours (assuming they don't want to warp around). It's not challenging, just boring.
Miromme Echerie
Doomheim
#64 - 2014-11-09 03:55:23 UTC
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
Eldwinn wrote:
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
Really ? Explain me how with a -10 security statue you can stay in high sec ?


Undock warp to instant undock -> warp to ping from target -> warp to target and kill them -> wait for concord to kill me

Only possible in 0.5, not higher

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Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case.
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Bullshit.

You've never suicide ganked have you?

////// Bullshit, what is hard to suicide gank ?


/---------> Edit : May I have to explain how easy it was when Markee dragon took a bunch of new players to make catalyst suicde gank and how fast he did money ?
How is it only possible in .5? Afaik, concord doesn't attack, only facpo. So you just need to warp once every few seconds.
And the actual gank isn't hard, but it's possible for gank ops to fail. If the bumpers bump them when they were told not to (and the gankers are in warp), it's probably going to fail. If the miner is orbiting an asteroid at decent range, the gank will probably fail, because they can't do their dps properly, even with a warp in.
Amra Ni-Yesta
Wormhole Police Department
THE Wormhole Police Department
#65 - 2014-11-11 15:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Amra Ni-Yesta
Miromme Echerie wrote:
Well, other than the fact that it's not hard to avoid facpo, so changing the sec status penalty only bothers noobs, it doesn't make it more challenging, it just means they need to farm rats for a few hours (assuming they don't want to warp around). It's not challenging, just boring.


First of all, thx for all your answers and reactions, also sorry for the late answer from my part.

I will use this quote to add something to the discussion :

Idea is :

1) If a noob is able to one shot or kill a ship, he kinda knows what he is doing, so he deserves like others this loss of standing, a hard loss.

2) Regarding the eve univers : Everything has a cost, you haven't something without something, the drawback effect ! If you want the suicide gank to be your game play : so do it ! But you will have to assume to play with an amazing terrible standing ! Pirates in low sec choosed to have this life, some to get a -10 sec status forever, compare to what guys are loosing (the product of efforts) your suicide ganks have to give you efforts behind. -------> To farm rats is part of the sytème, YOU ALSO can have some stuff you can sell to concord to increase your security status ! All of that are allready part of the game ! Let's use them more !

3) Regarding eve "roleplay" : Well if a guy do that he should be black listed by concord, not only to look that like a simple agression.

4) Wrecks shoudln't be part of this hard loss, if you destroy a wreck by shooting it. Only ships.

5) Regarding miners high sec and fail : It should be like it is now : You will loose only more standing by killing, not by shooting.

6) Regarding noobs transport ship : It takes time to specialize on transport who allow you safer transport. A "noob" has the right to transport expensiv stuffs too, and there is no real protection against suicide gank, actually none. I wasn't afk when i was catched, I was finishing my warp when i insta poped, even with some protection an alpha burst will get you.

7) Frequency : A transport ship a day is more than too much almost, assuming the guy use this toon to get fast money and because he doesnt want to spend too much time to work on his security status (witch he has to do if he does it more). It is like an alt occupation, it should be like a "career", if you follow me. Because the actual system allow you to do it too easily.
Athena Aideron
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-11-14 06:19:41 UTC
What the...

I'M not having fun until YOU'RE not having fun.
Koz Katral
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#67 - 2014-11-14 11:50:55 UTC
This thread delivers
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-11-14 14:33:31 UTC
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:

I wasn't afk when i was catched, I was finishing my warp when i insta poped, even with some protection an alpha burst will get you.



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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-11-14 18:39:51 UTC
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:

6) Regarding noobs transport ship : It takes time to specialize on transport who allow you safer transport. A "noob" has the right to transport expensiv stuffs too, and there is no real protection against suicide gank, actually none. I wasn't afk when i was catched, I was finishing my warp when i insta poped, even with some protection an alpha burst will get you.


The second rule of Eve is "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose." Your statement here can be reworded as "I should be able to fly whatever I want even if I can't afford to lose it and don't have the skills, knowledge, or common sense to keep from loosing it." This statement is the anti-thesis of what Eve is. Go play WoW and buy gold so you can trick out your character in Purples no one can ever take away from you.

Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
7) Frequency : A transport ship a day is more than too much almost, assuming the guy use this toon to get fast money and because he doesnt want to spend too much time to work on his security status (witch he has to do if he does it more). It is like an alt occupation, it should be like a "career", if you follow me. Because the actual system allow you to do it too easily.


You are continuing to display your complete lack of knowledge on the subject of ganking. You're not helping your case, you're just demonstrating that you don't understand the mechanics.

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Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.