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Dev Blog - A new look for EVE’s UI – feedback needed!

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Hallvardr
#521 - 2014-11-24 00:35:57 UTC
I've tried. I've really tried to adjust to the blue .. monochromatic UI buttons and they just leave me with a bad impression.

The pretense that the human mind can more quickly identify monochromatic icons over colored ones is bollocks. I can find no such studies that substantiate these claims. And in fact to the contrary.

Change for the sake of change is not necessarily a good thing and can often have negative results with users.

After days and days of interacting with the new UI on SISI, I've (re)learned which icons are which. but my opinion still stands .. they're dry and lifeless and there was no call or reason to be changing them.

This is my opinion for what its worth and given the fact that CCP will do what CCP wants to do. I feel that a single voice won't change the course of their design teams, ( HiRez texture threadnaught ) but I had to place my vote next to others in hopes that it might.

Would be nice to see a "vote function" on the forums .. be interesting to not only see the outcomes of popular issues like this but also CCP's reactions or lack thereof.
Hallvardr
#522 - 2014-11-24 01:01:11 UTC
Hollow PANZER1233000 wrote:
GIVE ME [option] KEY BACK [to] OLD UI EvilEvilEvil

I don't like [to] play in stupid windows 8!!!

.... never truer words have been typed. (ok so I had to edit a bit)

I am SO sick and tired of this freaking Android minimalistic card, Win8 metro, created by a 6 year old with crayola crayons and a sheet of construction paper UI's that programmers are pushing on us. Its just an excuse for lazy and shows ZERO creativity. And damm .. blue . that is so over used!

The Emperor's New Clothes - I'm not buying it .. its looks cheap and lifeless.
Khendon Kalmire
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#523 - 2014-11-24 04:50:31 UTC
Hollow PANZER1233000 wrote:
GIVE ME KEY BACK OLD UI EvilEvilEvil

I dont like play in stupid windows 8!!!

exactly.
new UI looks awful
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#524 - 2014-11-24 10:30:12 UTC
Since CCP is chasing after "new players", perhaps these new players will feel right at home with these changes since that is what they use daily on their smart phones, tablets, and other portable devices.

/me has a dumb phone - two cups and a string for poor reception at best.
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#525 - 2014-11-24 10:51:17 UTC
Hallvardr wrote:
Hollow PANZER1233000 wrote:
GIVE ME [option] KEY BACK [to] OLD UI EvilEvilEvil

I don't like [to] play in stupid windows 8!!!

.... never truer words have been typed. (ok so I had to edit a bit)

I am SO sick and tired of this freaking Android minimalistic card, Win8 metro, created by a 6 year old with crayola crayons and a sheet of construction paper UI's that programmers are pushing on us. Its just an excuse for lazy and shows ZERO creativity. And damm .. blue . that is so over used!

The Emperor's New Clothes - I'm not buying it .. its looks cheap and lifeless.


No, it doesn't look cheap and lifeless. Minimalism is clear, highly usable and efficient, born out of decades of UI development. Flat UIs are not a design fad, they are natural evolution and a welcome departure from faux 3D and superfluous gimmicks.
Hollow PANZER1233000
Monkey Attack Squad
Goonswarm Federation
#526 - 2014-11-24 11:31:58 UTC
Khendon Kalmire wrote:
Hollow PANZER1233000 wrote:
GIVE ME KEY BACK OLD UI EvilEvilEvil

I dont like play in stupid windows 8!!!

exactly.
new UI looks awful


LOOK AT THIS!!!
Aura die Sad

http://i.imgur.com/D58DvOt.png

Give me fire extinguisher my ass in flames!!!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#527 - 2014-11-24 11:39:22 UTC
Hollow PANZER1233000
Monkey Attack Squad
Goonswarm Federation
#528 - 2014-11-24 11:48:36 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Hallvardr wrote:
Hollow PANZER1233000 wrote:
GIVE ME [option] KEY BACK [to] OLD UI EvilEvilEvil

I don't like [to] play in stupid windows 8!!!

.... never truer words have been typed. (ok so I had to edit a bit)

I am SO sick and tired of this freaking Android minimalistic card, Win8 metro, created by a 6 year old with crayola crayons and a sheet of construction paper UI's that programmers are pushing on us. Its just an excuse for lazy and shows ZERO creativity. And damm .. blue . that is so over used!

The Emperor's New Clothes - I'm not buying it .. its looks cheap and lifeless.


No, it doesn't look cheap and lifeless. Minimalism is clear, highly usable and efficient, born out of decades of UI development. Flat UIs are not a design fad, they are natural evolution and a welcome departure from faux 3D and superfluous gimmicks.


So why CCP take my money for exel UI?

Maybe give me this?

http://hussars-online.ru/4images/data/media/15/wtf_nostalgia.png
Donima
Pyromaniacs Anonymous
#529 - 2014-11-24 18:40:16 UTC
You want to make one of the largest and longest awaited changes to EVE's UI. Implement a damn switch character button on the escape menu that takes you back to the character select screen instead of us always having to quit game and boot it right back up from the launcher again just to get to a different character.

Many MMO's already have this feature the day they come out. So why is it that EVE doesn't yet?

In Summary: Just 3 words... Switch Character Button.
Nolan Kotulan
Nova Tabula Rasa
#530 - 2014-11-24 18:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolan Kotulan
Hallvardr wrote:
After days and days of interacting with the new UI on SISI, I've (re)learned which icons are which. but my opinion still stands .. they're dry and lifeless and there was no call or reason to be changing them.
There is at the minimum one good enough reason for a 2014 game to make these changes: vector graphics, period.

Now, is the actual design good?
That is another question, and I would say "no, absolutly not, for sure!"...

Per aspera ad astra

FaZ3r
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#531 - 2014-11-24 19:01:22 UTC
I can understand the need for evolution but:

1. The new icons are hard to understand as they are not suggestive enough.
2. The icons graphic needs to be more alive and not brought down to a so called theme.
3. The names on the overview tabs are light chars on light background...not a good choice.

Like others said, i hope there will be a possibility to choose between old or new theme & icons.

Thx.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#532 - 2014-11-24 22:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Seems like it's just aesthetic changes... First the mechanics and tools of the User Interface should be improved and expanded on and later colour schemes can be mucked around with.

Where is the picture-in-picture view and the improved tactical overlay that was talked about so many fanfests ago?
Hallvardr
#533 - 2014-11-25 04:03:07 UTC
"Minimalism is clear, highly usable and efficient, born out of decades of UI development"

okay - you've convinced me .. won me over.. NOT.

I don't care what affectations you put to it .. it sucketh.

And I'm not talking about "fake wood grain trim on a car". There is nothing wrong with the current iconic depiction of functions that CCP has in game. I've seen no requests for flat, monochromatic, lifeless icons because its easier to select. really ?? ... at night but NOT last night !

And yes .. like everything flat and cheap, its a fad.

But alas I fear that the decision has already been made for whatever reasons and all this is just palaver.
Skira Noza
Skira Noza Tax Free Corporation
#534 - 2014-11-25 15:48:55 UTC
Please add option to disable any transparency. It is very important for traders, because traders are working lot with windows and transparency is more load on eyes.
Leorajev Aubaris
Blue Goat Ltd.
#535 - 2014-11-25 16:18:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Leorajev Aubaris
As a follow up on my previous post to this thread:
today I saw in an old elevator what I meant with retro button design.
Here's a side by side of the elevator buttons with the "new UI" buttons:
http://imgur.com/EqPblG3
There you go.
Sorry for the bad quality I only had my mobile at hand...
Edit:
I got the chance to take some better pictures of the elevator buttons, it makes it even more obvious:
http://imgur.com/6ZWHx5L
Flaarn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#536 - 2014-11-25 21:57:14 UTC
So, don't forget about those of us playing in Quad HD. The resolution is awesome, but UIs seem to suffer in these early days. Text needs to be bigger without compromising the graphics or other bitmapped UI elements.

With more people running in Quad HD, it would be something to think about.

Thanks,

Flaarn
Kerrat Braban
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#537 - 2014-11-26 18:09:21 UTC
my 2cents

I read the first 20 pages, and most points I have were already mentioned before.

Generally I like where this is going, even if it's not a huge step and needs more tuning. But many small steps also get us somewhere :)

What I'd like to see as improvements:

- Neocom and Station Icons need a little bit of color for easier differentiation, as they are now they're bland and boring (but the iLife generation will probably love them)
- More scaleable UI and/or font sizing, 90%/100%/110%/125% is not enough
- Adaptive transparency that darkens the window when for example a sun is behind it? If that should already be the case - didn't work well on Sisi, overview was unreadable with light behind it.

And points a share with BlitZ Kotare
- Pinning (make them unmovable) of windows WITHOUT making them more transparent (that's why the current setting doesn't cut it). I want to fix my windows so they don't get moved if I don't hit the very slim scroll bar correctly.
- Save/Load of screen layouts and Lord Maldorors suggestion of hotkey switching between layouts
- Function to let me position all screen elements (like messages positioning) whenever I like, why do I have to target stuff to be able to move the lock icons? Get a WoW trial and check out how they did it , it's the one thing they did really better :)

And one point that someone else - don't remember who, sorry - mentionend, augmented reality! What if we'd for example get information popping up for close or selected objects. Say you're close to 2 roids, show the type, mass and distance. Select that far away bogey? Display shiptype, distance, speed, angualar velocity and whatnot. Same if you're in a dogfight, maybe show info for all locked and selected targets, on screen, maybe with a small underline that's dragged to the object? now THAT would be a HUGE STEP FORWARD.
Killian Skoff
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#538 - 2014-11-26 20:06:09 UTC
New UI looks awful, why the hell CCP pays salary to guys whom do this?Evil
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#539 - 2014-11-26 23:17:35 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
Hallvardr wrote:
Hollow PANZER1233000 wrote:
GIVE ME [option] KEY BACK [to] OLD UI EvilEvilEvil

I don't like [to] play in stupid windows 8!!!

.... never truer words have been typed. (ok so I had to edit a bit)

I am SO sick and tired of this freaking Android minimalistic card, Win8 metro, created by a 6 year old with crayola crayons and a sheet of construction paper UI's that programmers are pushing on us. Its just an excuse for lazy and shows ZERO creativity. And damm .. blue . that is so over used!

The Emperor's New Clothes - I'm not buying it .. its looks cheap and lifeless.


No, it doesn't look cheap and lifeless. Minimalism is clear, highly usable and efficient, born out of decades of UI development. Flat UIs are not a design fad, they are natural evolution and a welcome departure from faux 3D and superfluous gimmicks.

King Fu, why bother just spouting what is in the blog.
New UI looks cheap, flat, lazy, colorless and really quite boring + not suitable for me with even a slight vision impairment.

Yes I am just 1 person, who cares - but how many others with vision problems have dedicated years to eve, to now find our ability to play is further reduced by a development change.


Flat UI's are a fad, it is called natural evolution for a reason - It will keep changing - What is vogue now will be but a memory in the future. Problem is CCP is behind the curve to start with, so any changes that are put in place now will be it for a long time, whether right, wrong, good or bad, players will be stuck with them.

When recently shopping for a new phone, I chose not to go with "the modern look". It is dull and boring and for me, hard to distinguish what is what.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#540 - 2014-11-27 11:37:29 UTC
im sorry guys but it just looks awful, the transparency is the best bit, everything else not, even that blue thingy

Nice clean vector lines would be nice

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit