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best ship for L4s

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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#1 - 2014-11-07 11:22:42 UTC
I am bound to high sec for a while due to RL issues i cant play that much so every now and then i want to do some missions just for the hell of it and to make some ISK of course. I cant fly marauders as i only have BS at lvl 4 (all of them) i cant fly commandships either besides that i can fly everything that is worth missioning in my missle skills are not that great but gunnery and drone skills are very good see EVEboard

I dont mind if the ship has an high cost price though i am not going to spend insane ammounts say arround 2 bil max (plus some extra for different hardeners as i change them for missions to get better tank)

i used a machariel for quit a while and that goes really well but i wonder if there are better options for me i fly in minmatar or gallente space

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-11-07 12:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Without going to a Marauder you will be hard pressed to beat the Mach. However the Domi is cheap and super effective. The CNR also works fine but your gun and drone skills are better than your missile skills and you don't have T2 cruise missiles.

In Gallente space the Tengu is also a good choice and you have that fully trained minus the missile support skills that are still at IV. The Rattlesnake is also an option with your current skills with the lack of T2 cruise being the only thing keeping it from really challenging the Mach.
stoicfaux
#3 - 2014-11-07 12:57:19 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
... Mach. ... Mach.

What he said.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Firestorm Delta
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-11-07 16:40:33 UTC
Mach or Rattlesnake. If your missile skills aren't your best and you can't fly Marauders that leaves you the Mach or Rattlesnake.
Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#5 - 2014-11-07 17:03:27 UTC
The Snake beats all even Mauraders

As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.

Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!!
stoicfaux
#6 - 2014-11-07 17:28:05 UTC
Battle BV Master wrote:
The Snake beats all even Mauraders

As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.

Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!!

ACs can be put into three groups which reduces DPS loss to overkill. And don't underestimate how much time you save with the Mach's warp speed if you fit 2-3 warp rigs and wear a warp speed implant.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-11-07 19:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Battle BV Master wrote:
The Snake beats all even Mauraders

As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.

Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!!

People always forget how powerful EWAR immunity is. Granted it doesn't count for much against Angels or Rogue Drones but ECM and Sensor Damps can really slow down your completion times, even on a missile or drone boat since you lose the ability to select targets and focus fire with drones and FoF missiles. Tracking disruption is easily countered with either drones or missiles but if your gunnery skills are better than your missile and drone skills it can really make a difference.

Also Marauders have 10% higher base warp speed than pirate BSs (except the Mach of course) and this does help when moving to and from the mission location. They can also loot and salvage while they go and they use far less ammo than non drone boats.

In my opinion Marauders and pirate BS hulls are both equally good at mission running. They just cater to different play styles and picking one or the other is all about choices and trade offs.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2014-11-07 19:37:12 UTC
Shocked not often I hear about the mach having low dps

with the rattlesnake the use of sentries and drones just feels clunky to me. the only skills I'm missing on my alt is drone specs to 5 when it comes to the snake. The dps is indeed amazing, but all the drawbacks of missiles, drones, and split weapon systems apply. I will admit to not having not spent a ton of time flying it though.

that said I do tend to only use the mach in the missions it is best in, aka anywhere enemies are almost all in side 30km and travel time is important. Outside of that the paladin is my go to, but well we aren't really talking about marauders here.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-07 21:05:11 UTC
Raven Navy Issue

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Large Micro Jump Drive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Corale Runes
pact of steel
#10 - 2014-11-11 08:26:35 UTC
To be honest if you don't play that much train for a marauder 34 days to get into it, worth the training time they are far and away better than any other ship for missions, Raven or Mach is ok but nowhere near marauder
Square PI
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-11-13 15:16:51 UTC
Battle BV Master wrote:
The Snake beats all even Mauraders

As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.

Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!!



The Snake might have a little bit higher DPS over the Marauders (on cost of the tanking ability)
But the Bastion Modul and the ability to loot during the mission is really pushing the Marauders.

If you talk about the DPS, you mean all the way the ISK/h. And the marauder has in this case the bonus of the loot and salvage to equal the little bit slower time to clear.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#12 - 2014-11-13 20:25:25 UTC
there have been good recommendations here (aside from calling the Mach low dps lol) but I think an Ishtar works better for blitzing l4s than most battleships it gets around a fair bit quicker too. I have also never had an issue with an onni tank on an Ishtar even in blood missions so it saves on refitting time. It is also a useful shop in PVP too.
Chillshock
Heavy Industries Inc.
#13 - 2014-11-14 12:03:49 UTC
Something I like surprisingly much: Cruise Golem. :D k, flame on!
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#14 - 2014-11-15 23:02:13 UTC
Battle BV Master wrote:
The Snake beats all even Mauraders

As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.

Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!!


well i am temtped to give the snake a go but despite that my missle skills are not as good as my gunnery i can use T2 cruise missles (since today) but i get more DPS from my mach

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-11-17 10:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Ellendras Silver wrote:
Battle BV Master wrote:
The Snake beats all even Mauraders

As long as you know how to fly it. Missles on the BS and drones on everything smaller.

Mach? Honestly dont know why people say it, DPS and range is no where near close to any Maurader or the Snake or the well I can keep going for awhile. Warp speed is nice won't deny that, but still the DPS is so LOW!!!


well i am temtped to give the snake a go but despite that my missle skills are not as good as my gunnery i can use T2 cruise missles (since today) but i get more DPS from my mach


You are going to have fitting problems getting a decent tank, prop mods and 5 x T2 launchers into a rattler. You usually need to drop the tank and go MJD range tank, drop the prop mods or drop back to Arbalest T1s (T2 sentries and arbalest will still get you up around 1400-1500 DPS).

T2 RHML will fit a bit better but its still tight.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-11-17 11:13:57 UTC  |  Edited by: afkalt
Chillshock wrote:
Something I like surprisingly much: Cruise Golem. :D k, flame on!


They're good ships when you're fighting at ranges. I use a golem for missions which aren't point blank and a blaster kronos for the up close ones.

Marauders are the bomb, I usually dual box them - cleared house in stop the thief in under 3:30 yesterday Twisted



edit:

Hasikan Miallok wrote:
You are going to have fitting problems getting a decent tank, prop mods and 5 x T2 launchers into a rattler. You usually need to drop the tank and go MJD range tank, drop the prop mods or drop back to Arbalest T1s (T2 sentries and arbalest will still get you up around 1400-1500 DPS).

T2 RHML will fit a bit better but its still tight.


It's pretty easy actually. At least when I used one, it was buffer tanked - 2 LSE, 2 invuln. MWD, 5 launchers and a pair of painters. Plenty fitting left over. The DPS is enough to not need an active repper.
Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
#17 - 2014-11-17 13:58:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Grytok
The Rattle is also cheaper than a Mach or a Marauder... All T2 bar the shield-mods you can get it for under 1.5 bil.

Quote:
[Rattlesnake, Lvl4 Missions]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

100MN Afterburner II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Sensor Booster II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Cruise Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Berserker II x2
Warden II x2
Garde II x2


That's 1k DPS (Garde II + Therm/Kinetic Missiles) and 1k capstable tank against all but Amarr-factions.

Your drones can be set to Agressive and Focus Fire, so even if you get damped or jammed you don't loose all your damage.

You can switch to faction Cruise Launchers + Missiles and faction DDAs to gain another 150-200 DPS.

It's the only still available allmost AFK option, as the sentries keep shooting. Usually I kill the small stuff first at range and then go do something else, as the battleships or battlecruisers don't switch target onto the sentries.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#18 - 2014-11-18 02:40:09 UTC
How many threads are there on this subject?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#19 - 2014-11-18 05:13:27 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
How many threads are there on this subject?


always one more, although this one seems to have stuck around for a while.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#20 - 2014-11-25 12:21:44 UTC
[Dominix, Sniper]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener

Large Micro Jump Drive
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I,
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I

Garde II x5
Warden II x5

Targeting range of 170 km
Garde has faloff at 100 km,
Wardens has optimal over 150 km and falloff far beyond the targeting range.

Cheap, effective, versatile. No need to carry tons of missiles or other ammo with you. You travel through empire with only one ship and get different missions in different space.

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