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So it is true you can earn 120m per hour from Iskursions?

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Ulina Olmav
Doomheim
#81 - 2011-11-27 20:49:19 UTC
Zagdul wrote:

Basically, if I decided to drop all sov and run my alliance off incursion taxes and low sec moons, I could in essence be a much more wealthy alliance with less overhead.


Funny how I agree this is the case, and yet so few of the alliances who would benefit from this switch will or even could do it.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#82 - 2011-11-27 21:07:08 UTC
Zagdul wrote:

What you and so many people seem to miss is that null sec space needs to hold value for the solo, casual player to log in, make some isk and log out. The space itself needs to have that value OVER empire space not because we want more of you out here, simply because it's the basic principle of what EVE was built off of.

A solar system in null sec, no matter the security status should never be worth less for a solo, casual player to make an income than that of a .5 system that has the protection of Concord.

Ever.



Well that's the thing. Should solo PVE in nullsec pay more out per individual than group PVE in highsec?
I'd say an attitude change is needed in nullsec by leaders. Too many times have I seen nullsec pilots in my fleets talk about how tired they are about the politics and bullshit out in nullsec. The endless CTA's, rules and just being overlooked.

So is the problem reward? Or is the problem lying somewhere else completely?
mkint
#83 - 2011-11-27 21:34:58 UTC
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
NERF Incursions reward in Hi-sec


Shocked

Doesnt help..... we are still not moving to low/null Cool


You can stay in highsec and bear it up 'till your heart's content, for all I care. But highsec incursions are wrecking the economy. That's why the need nerfing - it's got nothing to do with encouraging people into nullsec (though that would be nice too).

Prove it.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#84 - 2011-11-27 21:36:06 UTC
whoyoulookingat wrote:
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Incursions in nullsec are more lucrative than belt or anomaly ratting, hour-for-hour, but preparing for them is also a lot of hassle, and they're certainly nowhere near the cash cow of their highsec equivalents.


And this is the fault of whom? High-sec dwellers? Nope, you complain about not being able to run the null sec incursions yet the only obstacle blocking yourself is not one put in place by CCP.. It's put in place by your "OWN" Alliances & Corps that Live out there.

The Solutions are there, staring all you null sec peeps in the face yet if your Leaders can't work together for the sake of helping out their members.. well, say no more.

But to come whining to the forums is oh so facepalm Roll


So all the nullsec alliances should to get together and blue each other, in an even bigger NAPfest circlejerk than we have already, so that we can all run incursions together and sing kumbaya, right?

You are a tool. Get the **** out.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#85 - 2011-11-27 21:36:56 UTC
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
whoyoulookingat wrote:
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Incursions in nullsec are more lucrative than belt or anomaly ratting, hour-for-hour, but preparing for them is also a lot of hassle, and they're certainly nowhere near the cash cow of their highsec equivalents.


And this is the fault of whom? High-sec dwellers? Nope, you complain about not being able to run the null sec incursions yet the only obstacle blocking yourself is not one put in place by CCP.. It's put in place by your "OWN" Alliances & Corps that Live out there.

The Solutions are there, staring all you null sec peeps in the face yet if your Leaders can't work together for the sake of helping out their members.. well, say no more.

But to come whining to the forums is oh so facepalm Roll


So all the nullsec alliances should to get together and blue each other, in an even bigger NAPfest circlejerk than we have already, so that we can all run incursions together and sing kumbaya, right?

You are a tool. Get the **** out.


NRDS.
mkint
#86 - 2011-11-27 21:44:53 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
whoyoulookingat wrote:
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Incursions in nullsec are more lucrative than belt or anomaly ratting, hour-for-hour, but preparing for them is also a lot of hassle, and they're certainly nowhere near the cash cow of their highsec equivalents.


And this is the fault of whom? High-sec dwellers? Nope, you complain about not being able to run the null sec incursions yet the only obstacle blocking yourself is not one put in place by CCP.. It's put in place by your "OWN" Alliances & Corps that Live out there.

The Solutions are there, staring all you null sec peeps in the face yet if your Leaders can't work together for the sake of helping out their members.. well, say no more.

But to come whining to the forums is oh so facepalm Roll


So all the nullsec alliances should to get together and blue each other, in an even bigger NAPfest circlejerk than we have already, so that we can all run incursions together and sing kumbaya, right?

You are a tool. Get the **** out.


NRDS.

They mad thay can't afk and bot incursions. Nullbears need to keep their QQ off hisec .

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#87 - 2011-11-27 21:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
They mad thay can't afk and bot incursions. Nullbears need to keep their QQ off hisec .

Nail, meet hammerhead, hammerhead, meet nail.

Renan Ruivo wrote:
You can make 120m isk/h. However good luck in keeping that stream constant.

Nuff said.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2011-11-27 21:49:48 UTC
its completely obvious that incursions need a huge swing of the bat, asap.

in fairness to those of you trying desperately to claim that:

1.they dont make that much ISK
2.nullbears need to keep the hell out of highsec
3.incursions are difficult and complicated
4.other reasons

I would also be shouting to defend my trillion ISK income source if they tried to nerf it.

Doesnt change the fact it needs it.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#89 - 2011-11-27 21:52:29 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
its completely obvious that incursions need a huge swing of the bat, asap.

in fairness to those of you trying desperately to claim that:

1.they dont make that much ISK
2.nullbears need to keep the hell out of highsec
3.incursions are difficult and complicated
4.other reasons

I would also be shouting to defend my trillion ISK income source if they tried to nerf it.

Doesnt change the fact it needs it.


The point you are missing is that some people can make that money off of them, not everyone.

Every single person can make money off missions.

Big difference between 70 mil an hour 'for certain' and 120 mil an hour 'maybe'.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#90 - 2011-11-27 21:58:44 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Rellik B00n wrote:
its completely obvious that incursions need a huge swing of the bat, asap.

in fairness to those of you trying desperately to claim that:

1.they dont make that much ISK
2.nullbears need to keep the hell out of highsec
3.incursions are difficult and complicated
4.other reasons

I would also be shouting to defend my trillion ISK income source if they tried to nerf it.

Doesnt change the fact it needs it.


The point you are missing is that some people can make that money off of them, not everyone.

Every single person can make money off missions.

Big difference between 70 mil an hour 'for certain' and 120 mil an hour 'maybe'.


As if 70 mil an hour is a mediocre income.
saltrock0000
State War Academy
Caldari State
#91 - 2011-11-27 21:59:30 UTC
I will be as honest as i can.

Incursions you earn 10.5mil ISK per vanguard site. You can run a vanguard site in about 4minutes with a "blitz fleet". Getting into a blitz fleet isnt as easy as it sounds. You need contacts who regularly run these incursions, or to be in a specific channel for Xing up. These groups of people are a tight nit community within eve, and if you anoy them or break thier rules, be asured you wont be runnign with them in the future. Dont get me wrong theya re a cracking group of guys just have very strict rules.

Where people will be fast to say that incursions are awsome money, and yeah they can be, I'd also liek to point out that as easy as it is to make money it is to loose your ship ina incursion. You are relying on others to keep your ship alive, and not to mention competant FC's.

Alot of guys fly with multi billion ships, and it only takes a 1 griefer or a bad fleet to loose days/weeks of work. High payout high risk.

Also the more people who run them the more contested sites, and the less ISK you yourself will recieve.

So there it is. Incursion honesty. Take it as it is

\'''\<(o_O)>/'''/
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#92 - 2011-11-27 22:01:46 UTC
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Rellik B00n wrote:
its completely obvious that incursions need a huge swing of the bat, asap.

in fairness to those of you trying desperately to claim that:

1.they dont make that much ISK
2.nullbears need to keep the hell out of highsec
3.incursions are difficult and complicated
4.other reasons

I would also be shouting to defend my trillion ISK income source if they tried to nerf it.

Doesnt change the fact it needs it.


The point you are missing is that some people can make that money off of them, not everyone.

Every single person can make money off missions.

Big difference between 70 mil an hour 'for certain' and 120 mil an hour 'maybe'.


As if 70 mil an hour is a mediocre income.


70 mil an hour blows ass tbh.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Daedalus Arcova
The Scope
#93 - 2011-11-27 22:11:18 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
70 mil an hour blows ass tbh.


Yeah, you'd have to do that for 24 hours solid just to buy a single monocle.
saltrock0000
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2011-11-27 22:15:39 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Zagdul wrote:

What you and so many people seem to miss is that null sec space needs to hold value for the solo, casual player to log in, make some isk and log out. The space itself needs to have that value OVER empire space not because we want more of you out here, simply because it's the basic principle of what EVE was built off of.

A solar system in null sec, no matter the security status should never be worth less for a solo, casual player to make an income than that of a .5 system that has the protection of Concord.

Ever.



Well that's the thing. Should solo PVE in nullsec pay more out per individual than group PVE in highsec?
I'd say an attitude change is needed in nullsec by leaders. Too many times have I seen nullsec pilots in my fleets talk about how tired they are about the politics and bullshit out in nullsec. The endless CTA's, rules and just being overlooked.

So is the problem reward? Or is the problem lying somewhere else completely?





Thats actualy a very good point

\'''\<(o_O)>/'''/
Ulina Olmav
Doomheim
#95 - 2011-11-27 22:18:21 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
its completely obvious that incursions need a huge swing of the bat, asap.


A huge nerf is not warrented, but toning down the rewards in highsec by some factor wouldn't be un-called for. About like nerfing gank insurance vs. removing the ability to gank in highsec for you fine fellows in the orphanage.
Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2011-11-27 22:28:21 UTC
I dont fly them, but i hear that the engines of incursion fleets run on the tears of low and null sec. All i can har from the engine room is 'MOAR tears captain, we need MOAR' Cool
Angus Thermopollye
#97 - 2011-11-27 22:29:37 UTC
Sounds like everyone is arguing the issue of NERF High Sec or don't NERF High Sec Incursions. Here's a better idea....just buff null sec.

That being said, I'm a high sec Incursion runner but I've also lived in null a time or two. There needs to me a monetary reason to want to go out there for most people. Otherwise you'll just lose ships all the time and get discouraged. The place is constant war. You're likely to get jumped by anyone.

So yeah, BUFF null and I think things would equal back out. Put those anoms back to the way they used to be. That's just my two cents though.

It's grrrrrrrreat!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#98 - 2011-11-27 22:50:06 UTC
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
70 mil an hour blows ass tbh.


Yeah, you'd have to do that for 24 hours solid just to buy a single monocle.


Right. It would take even longer than that doing incursions, unless you got in the winning fleet every time all day long.

Which is highly unlikely to happen repeatedly on a per capita basis.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Jita Alt666
#99 - 2011-11-28 00:31:23 UTC
Here is a cool way to have fun in high sec incursions:

Get 2+ alts running logistics. Join fleet with them. Circle jerk. Wait till DPS of site is at highest point. Log off.
mkint
#100 - 2011-11-28 01:14:30 UTC
Elson Tamar wrote:
I dont fly them, but i hear that the engines of incursion fleets run on the tears of low and null sec. All i can har from the engine room is 'MOAR tears captain, we need MOAR' Cool

Sshh nobodys suppose to know you can run a petrol engine on distilled water. Don't tell the nullbears that npc difficulty is inversely proportional to nullbear QQ. Soon my velator will omgwtfbbqsolopwn hq sites at a millions billions gazillions baconz per hours.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.