EVE General Discussion

To eliminate TL:DR, Elitism is the biggest killer in eve. First, players get bored. Eve was too small. Yay this latest patch. Eve had stagnated. Idid most everything and nothing excited me. I am getting back in more regular. The Elitism refers to how vet play was everybody seemed expected to me a multiboxer with farming alts. Of course things will stagnate when minimum requirements are fsction fit incursion ships or T3 Minimum fleet ships. Suddenly is boring or repetitive. Some thrive on that and others quickly drop fleet.My best times in eve as a vet tend to be myself and other vets working with scores of new player. Forget the killboard efficiency and win. Dang we are 60% and lost 5x as many ships? who cares if won.

No more clone grades, no more SP loss.

BitterVets returning? Soon!

Thera?

Well, if there would be a vet station, i demand that it's called "Farewell Ranch"

Restart the recall scheme asap. The vets can pull older players in more effectively than patch resub mails. Ideally allow sending a short personal message to the person they recall and the option to set the notification public/private so others can monitor, but institute a hard cap of requests p/m so the recepient isn't mail-spammed.

Also, free stuff. Hand it over CCP! We should get shinies on our character birthdays, regardless of whether they were subbed for the entire period. They don't have to be particularly valuable, tbh they could be non-tradable or part of the decoration system.

I like to be held firmly from behind whilst bent over a desk. Or garden furniture. I think a lot of EvE players share this preference but prefer to pretend they tripped. Speak for youself Epeen.

I am surprised there aren't anniversary rewards for vets.

Here almost 11 years and for me once the pleasure hubs left the game hard to stay motivated...

Fire Greyscale for starters.

Suppose i'm writing this from the wrong character, but i have been playing since april 2004. Main has 180m SP, guess that's old.

Why dont i play much?

1. Because little children run nullsec. If you want to go there to pvp, you HAVE to fly a capital, or fly really awful fits designed for low-skill nubs to blob with. There are a hundred other problems with this area of space for people with too many skills. I dont want to move to null.

2. The biggest thing for me, is the cost of clones. I dont really enjoy PvP because i really hate the idea of having to pay 40, or 60m for a naked clone. They're fixing this soon, it will make a HUGE difference.

3. also VERY critical, is that they have teiricided and balanced the living hell out of everything. It really, now, makes absolutely no difference what race you fly, or what ship you fly--they all have about the same dps. This is SO true, that the flycatcher, corax, harpy (or is it hawk?), ALL have the exact same dps (think they upped the catcher a little recently). The same is true of the navy scorp, golem, etc) ... it's virtually the same with all the other little ships.
..... so there is literally no reason, besides choosing which color you want your ship, or what type of ecm bonus you want, to fly one ship over the other. I can fly them all, i literally cant decide what ship to fly anymore, because it makes NO DIFFERENCE.

4. They have removed most of the things i sunk a lot of skills into, for me, this is science and industry... This means--invention dumb-down, ME/PE evening-out, etc. Seems like a huge waste of my time, and therefore i dont do it anymore. My alts with 3 weeks training are JUST as effective as my main with 40m SP's in science and industry. This is also true of the datacore/R&D agent nerf.

5. Most corps to join are small and not very nice. They try to do too much (look at how all of them want to go to null, that's pathetic). Mining corps are essentially run by one guy getting rich off buying cheap minerals... It's no fun recruiting.

6. If i go do things with other people, they sometimes feel so bad about their skills in comparison to mine, that they quit. I have literally gone out to help a guy do a lvl 4 in my mission ship--and had him rage-quit/unsub that day. This doesnt happen often, but variations of it do... The most annoying is probably being able to fly something, or fit something (all ship skills to 5, all t2 ships to 5, all fitting skills to 5, even all t2 gun specs to 5), and they just cannot fly a comparable fit--i dont fit into fleet fights well--there's just something 'off' about a guy in a cormorant hitting out to 133k, when everyone else musters 78.

i could really go on and on about this, but for me, it's the horrible way nullsec is run, the cost of clones, and the blandness/sameness of all the ships. THOSE are the key things for me. Corps can be great if you find one that's great (my main has), and dumbing down my ships is hard, but can be enjoyable with the right people.

How to hold old players?

Gently, is always good.

The old vets love talking about how they don't log in and haven't spent money on the game in years and have no need to.

I see no reason to hold them, they bring nothing to the table.

Keeping the game stagnant for these bitter vets has gone on long enough.

Time to move on CCP.

Adapt or leave just like the new players have to.