Player Features and Ideas Discussion

... and here we have another great idea of how to make even bigger gap between loki and other 3 tech3 cruisers ...

since loki has no buffer deffensive subsystem he can tank only by resistance subs unlike other 3 who use buffer sub ... so since reducing resists per level from 5% to 4%, loki was basically only one who got actually hit by this change ...
also, loki has worse slot layout tha other 3, he cant have 7 low/mid slots, so he would be in even bigger disadvantage compared to other 3 since he wont be able to fit mods to balance tank loss from removing t2 resists as other 3 could thanks to their slot layout ...

Pretty much the only reason the loki is ever undocked is because it can fit an armour tank and Huginns cannot. That's the only reason. Otherwise it's a slow vagabond or an expensive muninn.

What makes the other tech3s overpowered is the 50% HP bonus that makes plates and extenders scale way better than on other hulls, allowing them to get battleship tanks without the massive downsides BS suffer. If they took the bonus down to 25%, or made it so it only applies on hull HP and not plates/extenders, it'd be balanced.



okay try fitting a rail tengu with the ECM bonus and see how that goes lmao

if you're trying to make a case for T3s being OP it helps to know what the subsystems actually do first. You know, so you don't sound like an idiot

So you decide to open discussion on T3 but you don't know stats of T3 ships... stop doing that Guys. It really is counterproductive if u propose something not out of experience, but EFT stats or in this case not even this...

The idea is terrible. You clearly didn't do a research on the current use of T3. Your idea would make them useless in many aspects of the game (ie. sleeper PvE) where they are the only viable choice.

You claim that they have bonuses form five subs. Yes. But except bonus form offensive and defensive subs, other bonuses are really marginal - 5% to sensor strength or lock time? Really? This justifies dropping resists to T1? It’s like nestor - it also has a lot of bonuses but they don't give him any distinct advantage vs. other pirate BS.

because i got killed by a T3 gang and it wasn't fair

T3 rebalance needs to be more than just adjusting subsystems to T1 levels, find me a T1 combat boosting ship? Or explain why a T3 fit to do logi should be so much more expensive than T1 logi cruisers and be adjusted down to their capabilities.

So, obligatory, "this is a bad idea, -1 " etc. etc

Well if you are looking to set t3 balance, you probably need to look at them in total as a ship class. Their tank, dps, resists are on par with battlecruisers.

Reclassify them as a battlecruisers variant, adjust speed, change the strategic cruiser skill to reduce mass per level so a level 5 skill drops the mass to the current cruiser level (level 1 is equal to battlecruisers mass, level 5, cruiser mass). Currently it's pretty pointless to train the racial strategic cruiser past level one unless you are exceedingly concerned about heat. This would make it a optional choice for pilots, and a mandatory train for wormholers.

After that, rebalance the subsystems one by one so the alternative subsystems are viable. Realistically, you can do this by removing a subsystem variation from each subsystem and merge them into the final 3.



For instance, the legion:

Remove adaptive augmentor and roll it into the nanobot injector, buffing it. You now have 3 options for defensive subsystems, buffer, resistance and rep, or boosting.


For the Loki, I would remove the amplification node and roll it into both the shielding and augmentor subsystems. I would remove the remote shield transporter and put in a self repping shield option. So you can armor tank with small sig (depending on your ship, you could mitigate a lot with that, or you can roll a shield one that can rep itself. This would need to be looked at more closely in regards to hit points, but I would pretty much consciously buff the hit point to armor and shield of the Loki inherently by 10 to 25%, so it wouldn't have to bother with a hp subsystem. This is not something I can really define as a balancing option, it's just an option. If you are trying to figure out where the extra hp should come from, I would probably reduce it's hull amount by 25%. Weak hull, good shield and armor amounts to balance it out.

The tengu's, would remove the amplification mode and move it to adaptive shielding. So it's either buffer or resists and repair

Proteus is the same as the legion.

I would look to do the same with the rest of the subsystems. Simplify and condense from 4 subsystems with 1 or two useless options per system to 3 with viable choices for all.

That and bump up the t3's to a battlecruiser class ship.

The whole T3 discussion varies from the ridiculous to the absurd.
They are ships with a role, they do that role reasonably well in wormhole space.
They have significant downsides, but we use them because they work.
Now someone pulls an idea out of thin air, with no idea how they work, how they are used, and screams
"nerf them they are overpowered!!!"

Sorry to disillusion you they are not.

Just because they have cruiser in their name does not mean they need nerfing back to a vexor, or a stabber.
They ain't T1 they ain't base cruisers, and they ain't goint to be made T1 because a random someone said they should be.

They should have been named spec-ops or something so the foolish were not encouraged to compare them with base T1 cruisers.
There again CCP probably under estimated human stupidity.

n1 ignoring every other post giving reasons for your idea being garbage

I've never seen someone so completely miss the mark on how T3s are overpowered and how they aren't

im a high sec mission runner/miner/explorer,

and ive hardly touched my T3 strategic cruisers in the past year and half, not since marauders with bastion mode,

have converted one tengu into a stabbed/nullified/cloaked probe hacker ship for hacking data sites, scouting wormholes, ect
not quite as fast as some of the more specilized scouting frigates, but it definatly works,

yea T3 need some fixing for certain, dont forsee it in the near future, i want to wait and see how the new destroyers work out, if works cool, then probobly should scrap the entire T3 strat cruiser line and redo it with new set up, but that would mean extensive reworks of various industry and skills on top of complete redo of the ships,