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rat ai

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Capqu
Half Empty
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#1 - 2014-11-05 13:31:06 UTC
hey can you make rat ai so they attack the person who has done the highest combined damage to rats and healing to humans on the anomaly grid

this signature and ewar stuff is really dumb

tia thanks in advance

ps can i have my atxii plex
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2014-11-05 14:16:24 UTC
Capqu wrote:
...ps can i have my atxii plex


Did you petition this?

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#3 - 2014-11-05 14:34:48 UTC
We have been down this path a month or so ago I said no then and I say no now.
Rats attack whoever is in their area with no regard for what they are doing, usually preferring to attack the weakest targets in the area. This was a much needed change for mission pilots, under the old AI the mission pilot had everything working against them. Ninja looters never had to worry about the rats and the gankers could completely ignore them and fit specifically for the attack on the mission pilot. Now anyone and everyone that enters the pocket needs to be fit to tank the damage and that balances these things out.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#4 - 2014-11-05 14:43:44 UTC
What rats really need to do it to learn how to fit their ships because right now they suck balls. Next would be actually use what they have fitted.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2014-11-05 14:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
What rats really need to do it to learn how to fit their ships because right now they suck balls. Next would be actually use what they have fitted.


Fit their ships? You mean use 1 fitting for all their ships of a particular class and use, like capsuleers. In other words, all short range Serpentis hulls would use the Neutron Blaster cannon over their current variety, all long range rail boats the 425mm over their current variety?

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#6 - 2014-11-05 15:59:58 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
What rats really need to do it to learn how to fit their ships because right now they suck balls. Next would be actually use what they have fitted.


Again, NPCs are there you make you isk in your wallet.

What made NPCs not challenging was a loud outcry of carebears that couldn't deal with getting jammed. So the mission bot could not play the game for them anymore.

CCP heard and nerfed them.

The pvper in their almost infinite wisdom wanted moar powa. They got moar powa. Now they complain that their sooper-dooper-solo-pwn-mobiles make fun of multi-player complexes, also known as DED 7-10/10 complexes, being too easy.

Yeah it is very shocking that I told you so years ago.

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Capqu
Half Empty
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#7 - 2014-11-27 19:26:26 UTC
Iain Cariaba
#8 - 2014-11-28 08:44:59 UTC
OP is just mad that the rats target him every time he drops half a dozen black ops battleships on a ratting ishtar, ignore him.

Also, OP needs to reread forum rule #15.
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-11-28 09:45:42 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
OP is just mad that the rats target him every time he drops half a dozen black ops battleships on a ratting ishtar, ignore him.

Also, OP needs to reread forum rule #15.

What about solo frigs engaging fw missioning strats, vni's, and mishtars? Nah, don't worry about thinking over it. It's way easier to assert your theory of a person's motives and attempt to undermine their credibility. Apparently you need to re-read the forum rule concerning constructive posting.

I agree with the OP that the rats should not aid their attacker. Simply because the high-sec mission runners might have it a bit harder against assailents is insufficient justification for a counter argument. They already are choosing one of the easiest routes to run missions, many of which can be run with only minute casual attention.

Also what about those -10folk? Or those very few attempting to achieve true -10? (Given that true -10 requires a rounding error to achieve, as it is not mathmaticly possible.) There are those who not only have no intrest in killing rats, and are actively on their side.

Simply, rat aggro against interlopers is quite counter intuitive.

Unfortunately I believe this is a redundant topic.

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.

Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#10 - 2014-11-28 10:30:18 UTC
Dude massacres countless sansha vessels, then I warp on top of him to help them poor sansha guys out a little. All of a sudden sansha guys turn on me. What? +1
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#11 - 2014-11-28 15:47:48 UTC
Let's try this a different way as this topic is not specific to any one region of space and it has nothing to do with logic or what would happen in real life, it is all about game balance.

You are in a mission, anom whatever and a player or group of players warps in to attack you.

In the old system the rats were an unintended ally of the attackers unbalancing the situation in the extreme.

CCP took heed of this and in their quest to balance all of the forces at work that are not DIRECTLY under player control they changed the rat AI so that they are neutral, in the process removing the majority of the previous imbalance. While the would be gankers hate this change and I can understand that position it does virtually eliminate the imbalance of the old system by making the rats neutral and overall that is beter for everyone.

I will repeat the oft posted comment this is EVE not real life, logic, physics and common sense do not always apply.
I find it interesting that many who would post this in response to others so quickly forget it when it works against them like the rat AI does.