Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Amd not all of the battleships are slated for a massive overhaul. Those t1 ships got mostly an iterative polish pass with a bit to up the buffer and sensor stats,, and the typhoon got a bit of cap and agility in my proposed changes. Haven't gotten around to pirate and t2 battleships yet, but they are on the list.

Do you feel Marauder is where it should be?
I am not sure how large turret performs in pvp. But I still don't see CCP make changes on the bs size missile.
I have a issue with how much fit requirements the torpedoes launcher needs in comparison to the cruise launcher.

Rokh have issues where Naga outperform rokh in term of firepower due to 5% damage bonus per level plus same 10 % optimal range as well.

I feel that all bs should have one utility high slot. as remove one turret hard point from rokh and compensate by giving role bonus to increase dps to equal to 8 turret

jeebus the market....

What all tech one battleships need is a dire price decrease to match their 'usefulness'. I am not willing to pay 200 million for a bare Armageddon hull that used to cost 100m.

Unless the Armageddon got a 300% sentry tracking and range buff, the price is wayyyy out of whack and so are other hulls.

I know dear, I do have blueprints of several ships and took a look on them (note to self, don't look in the industry tab again..). Just saying it stinks

Where do you think Stich got that idea from? I like what he is doing and he isn't wrong to do it.

For me the warp speed rig buff has fixed a lot of issues that battleships had. I think the only BS fits that are truly lacking still are these that rely on buffer rigs for tank.

The price tag most of the Battleships have is totally OK for me. I honestly think that some of the pirate battleships are too cheap compared to navy Battleships and therefor overshadowing them price for performance wise. Prime examples are Machariel vs navy Minmatar, Rattlesnake vs Navy Domi and Barghest vs Navy Caldari.

I don't think the navy BS need a huge buff, except maybe the navy geddon (i can't think of a good role for it). I cannot speak on all the navy/fleet ships since i haven't flown them all, but out of the 2 i have flown i have this to say.

Typhoon FI
Very good ship. Extremely flexible between guns/missiles. Can fit dual heavy neuts with bonused missiles and has a large drone bay to work with as well. Probably one of my favorite ships to fly in general.

Tempest FI
Outside a few niche fits i've made (triple rep armor tank), its kind of meh. It does see fleet use though, so in that role it seems to perform fairly well. I'd like to see it maybe get a 10% dmg 7.5% tracking bonus to make it a little more distinctive from t1 pest, and make it better as an arty platform.

Navy geddon is pretty underwhelming, as is the navy domi. People like to whine about the typhoon fleet issue, but it's a decent niche fleet ship, even if it's very dependent on triage, TP, and web loki support.

Yeah, I derped that, I meant the tempest. I'm a big fan of the RHML line phoon, as you know, and the fleet phoon in better in every way. I haven't used the fleet typhoon for pvp yet, but I've had enough luck flying solo with the t1 version to know how powerful it is.

As for the navy domi, the only sensible roles that I can envision myself using it in is something like a hull tank navy brutix. It's not unreasonable to get almost 300k ehp out of it, which is really pretty impressive. Other that that though, I'd just use a rattlesnake.

The navy geddon is really just deficient in powergrid, it's not a terrible hull, but it is difficult to fit, and I'm still a little disappointed that we still see the cap use bonus on amarr hulls. With a little more grid and maybe an optimal bonus that thing would be a beast.

On a side note, there's been a lot of discussion about battleships on and off over the last two years, and I think CCP has taken some great strides towards balancing ships, but the BS class, I think, still needs a slight overhaul. People like to point to nightmareX or big miker's videos as evidence for battleship supremacy, and while it's true that those players are excellent pvpers, these people need to keep in mind that the examples of total domination that they see do have an element of smoke and mirrors in them. Links, implants, and bling can make ships astonishingly powerful, and it isn't limited to battleship hulls, as anyone that's flown an orthrus, claymore, or svipul using the aforementioned goodies can tell you. Moreover, one of the greatest skills that these players have is choosing the right fights. That's something that's not often recognized and I've seen that mistake often on this forum.

I'm not saying that I think battleships are worthless, because they're not. I've made great use of several hulls, and I can't complain about the amount of fun it is to fly a ship with a big engagement profile. What I would like, though, is for CCP to recognize a few things about the current metagame, for instance, why the dominant t1 battleship hulls revolve around neuts, RHMLs, and drones, or why gunnery based BS hulls are so weak for small scale fighting without an extreme degree of control over the grid, or some other advantage such as links. Brawly hulls, outside of a few environments, like some assault frigates, a few of the t1 destroyers, and most combat battlecruisers, are very lackluster. There are a few exceptions, as we would expect, but for the most part, the sentiment is accurate, and I'd be very happy if CCP would take a look at this.

I'm glad that this thread is here, and I've enjoyed reading the discussion that's taken place. A few of us should get together some time and take out a few typhoons and stir up some trouble.

Now even though I don't fly minmatar, let me say, ouch!