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Counter to worm in novice plexes?
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Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#21 - 2014-11-30 00:34:16 UTC
One thing I've been wondering. The cruor has bandwidth for a single drone. I'm away from a pc so dont feel like searching numbers, but what is the probability of jamming a drone with an ecm drone? It would at least cut the worms drone dps in half and replacing that single combat drone without any bonuses wont make a lot of difference in the cruors dps output. If it works it might make the cruor at least a threat to a worm.

Daemun of Khanid
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#22 - 2014-11-30 00:59:20 UTC
Daemun Khanid wrote:
One thing I've been wondering. The cruor has bandwidth for a single drone. I'm away from a pc so dont feel like searching numbers, but what is the probability of jamming a drone with an ecm drone? It would at least cut the worms drone dps in half and replacing that single combat drone without any bonuses wont make a lot of difference in the cruors dps output. If it works it might make the cruor at least a threat to a worm.


A single EC-300 has a jam strength of 1 and a Hobgoblin II has a sensor strength of 7.5. So you have a 13.3% chance to jam 1 drone every 20 seconds, which frankly is terrible odds if you're on the receiving end of almost 300dps. A single combat drone isn't going to do much either so it isn't a bad idea, but it's far too unreliable to make the Cruor a considerable threat to a Worm.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#23 - 2014-11-30 01:09:10 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Daemun Khanid wrote:
One thing I've been wondering. The cruor has bandwidth for a single drone. I'm away from a pc so dont feel like searching numbers, but what is the probability of jamming a drone with an ecm drone? It would at least cut the worms drone dps in half and replacing that single combat drone without any bonuses wont make a lot of difference in the cruors dps output. If it works it might make the cruor at least a threat to a worm.


A single EC-300 has a jam strength of 1 and a Hobgoblin II has a sensor strength of 7.5. So you have a 13.3% chance to jam 1 drone every 20 seconds, which frankly is terrible odds if you're on the receiving end of almost 300dps. A single combat drone isn't going to do much either so it isn't a bad idea, but it's far too unreliable to make the Cruor a considerable threat to a Worm.


Agreed.

Daemun of Khanid
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-11-30 01:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
Dato, no one's arguing that the Worm isn't OP. Well, at least I'm not.

But your simple Tech 2 fit Worm, fit with mostly Tech 2 though it may be, is still about as pimped as it can get, I mean how much more could you pimp it ? Faction DDAs ? Faction shield extender ? Edit: Obviously you could put on some faction MWD and tackle, but those things won't make it any harder to catch for the Cruor fit I posted.

No doubt the Cruor fit I posted would be able to catch you for sure.

Don't let your hatred for the Worm cloud your judgement, though.
Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-12-01 01:52:02 UTC
get really good at hitting frigs with a bomber.

nuke it in orbit; it's the only way to be sure.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#26 - 2014-12-01 04:25:44 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Dato, no one's arguing that the Worm isn't OP. Well, at least I'm not.

But your simple Tech 2 fit Worm, fit with mostly Tech 2 though it may be, is still about as pimped as it can get, I mean how much more could you pimp it ? Faction DDAs ? Faction shield extender ? Edit: Obviously you could put on some faction MWD and tackle, but those things won't make it any harder to catch for the Cruor fit I posted.

No doubt the Cruor fit I posted would be able to catch you for sure.

Don't let your hatred for the Worm cloud your judgement, though.


Faction tackle would make it alot harder for you to catch the Worm fit I posted because OH FN Web range is 18km and you won't be able to close into scram distance at all since the Worm will be faster while webbed and you will also be webbed at a far enough range that you won't have the inertia to carry you into scram range. If the playing field is level and nobody had links or pimp/both had links or pimp, it's still highly unlikely you'll win a fight with a kite Worm in that Cruor even if you did manage to catch it.

We all agree the Worm is OP, my point is that your idea that the Cruor is a counter is a terrible idea and is extremely unreliable. Sure you could win maybe 10% of the time if the Worm pilot is crap, but I think if both players are playing well, your chance to win in that Cruor is nearly 0.
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