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Will freighter warp webbing go to way of the dodo?

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#21 - 2014-11-04 16:06:40 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Just made my week. These alleged changes have caused nearly as much hysteria on GD as the Ebola virus has on American media. TY ISD LackOfFaith


What? Webbing freighters in corp spreads Ebola?

CCP, FIX IT!

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-11-04 16:07:52 UTC
There will probably be some sort of "corporate safety" to make shooting corpmates more "intuitive"; that sort of thing was discussed in the CSM minutes, IIRC.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-11-04 16:08:22 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Just made my week. These alleged changes have caused nearly as much hysteria on GD as the Ebola virus has on American media. TY ISD LackOfFaith


I'm sorry, but I'm not getting it.

I didn't think these changes were happening, or even that they ever will- thus I queried the OP. I then speculated, and read the patch notes, and tested after the patch.

In doing so, I learned something about duelling (which I'd not done) - and, if this change ever happens, that losing the current aggression and gaining the extra benefits of using duelling will actually be rather beneficial.

What is it that I'm not getting?Smile

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2014-11-04 16:20:25 UTC
Lets just say that sales of torches and pitchforks have risen noticeably in the last week or so.
Strangely, also have sales of soapboxes.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-11-04 16:51:05 UTC
Ahhh, thank you - now I think I'm getting it.

In which case, then the introduction of duelling is a very backward step in this instance; which the proposed/possible change to combat Awoxing only reinforces.

Before duelling (ie before I left for a sabbatical), I think I'm right in saying, in order to web a freighter you actually had to be in a Player Corp (and therefore were subject to wardecs, etc). Now, with duelling, you don't!

Hmmmm.....not good.

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#26 - 2014-11-04 18:59:24 UTC
How many freighters pilots are actually in corps? I thought most webbing alts already used the duel mechanic.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#27 - 2014-11-04 19:01:11 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
OP seems to imply that the 'anti-Awoxing' change is coming.

However, it's not in the current patch notes and, I thought, currently just an assumption based upon a part of the last CSM minutes.

If, 'freighter-webbing' now becomes 'CONCORD-illegal' in the future, does this link to the plan that Capitals will be allowed in High Sec? For that would make sense, given that Freighters were originally a Null Sec ship for transporting Station Eggs and perhaps that's where they belong. Carriers and the Rorqual (and hence keeping that incredibly useful drone bonusShocked) would become the High Sec haulers of choice - given they can fit a fairly decent tank. In fact, given their immunity to EWAR, perhaps Supers will be the Bear ship of choice?

So, is it actually coming to pass? Will accepting a duel be the logical solution?

Not only is it not in the patch notes, but its not been mentioned by any Dev on any forum post. The only place we see it mentioned is the CSM minutes.

My guess is CCP will see if the kick queue is sufficient in itself to balance AWOXing before proposing changes to aggression.

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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2014-11-04 23:05:23 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
How many freighters pilots are actually in corps? I thought most webbing alts already used the duel mechanic.


Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps.....Blink

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#29 - 2014-11-05 22:35:33 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:

Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps.....Blink

Except they didn't have to be before dueling either. Since they could use the jetcan method to create the old version of a limited engagement. Know your agro mechanics.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-11-05 23:15:26 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:

Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps.....Blink

Except they didn't have to be before dueling either. Since they could use the jetcan method to create the old version of a limited engagement. Know your agro mechanics.


Thank you, yes - but I was fairly sure that Freighters couldn't jetcan either, nor pick them up) - another change. I could be wrong, but that's not how I recall it.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#31 - 2014-11-06 00:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Marcus Tedric wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:

Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps.....Blink

Except they didn't have to be before dueling either. Since they could use the jetcan method to create the old version of a limited engagement. Know your agro mechanics.


Thank you, yes - but I was fairly sure that Freighters couldn't jetcan either, nor pick them up) - another change. I could be wrong, but that's not how I recall it.

They did not have to. The freighter pilot would get in a different ship, do the jet can thing, then swap back.

Edit: All my freighter users are in corps. If a war comes along and I feel the need to use a freighter, I just drop that pilot out for the duration, as flying a freighter in war is nothing more than a loss.

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somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#32 - 2014-11-06 01:44:12 UTC
I don't know jack about freighters, but can that Capital Higgs Anchor Rig help? Or would you still need a web buddy? Pirate
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2014-11-06 07:50:15 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
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They did not have to. The freighter pilot would get in a different ship, do the jet can thing, then swap back.

Edit: All my freighter users are in corps. If a war comes along and I feel the need to use a freighter, I just drop that pilot out for the duration, as flying a freighter in war is nothing more than a loss.


Thank you - ahhh, the methods players can come up with to do stuffBig smile - without having tried it, I just wouldn't have expected the aggression mechanic to have lasted long enough.

somedudeinaship wrote:
I don't know jack about freighters, but can that Capital Higgs Anchor Rig help? Or would you still need a web buddy? Pirate


It's an interesting new rig and it will be equally interesting to see how players use it. As for Freighters and JFs, however, no rig slots.Blink

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#34 - 2014-11-06 08:46:21 UTC
The Tomonator wrote:
does this change also impact fleet? (weren't you able to attack other fleet members freely? Or am I mega out of date lol)


Lofty scam died like 8 years ago I think. Blink

Anyway since using e-war in high sec is a crime it's safe to assume that duels will be the way to go and it kind of makes sense, you don't for the cops if you literally begged someone to hit you with a baseball bat, though it might rise a few eyebrows in passers by.
However podding in duels shouldn't be allowed in high sec since there's a difference between rough sport and murder.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#35 - 2014-11-06 10:26:04 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:

Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps.....Blink

Except they didn't have to be before dueling either. Since they could use the jetcan method to create the old version of a limited engagement. Know your agro mechanics.


The jetcan method would leave your webbing alt as a suspect and shootable by everyone. It could even make your freighter pilot go suspect if you were really daft. Know your aggro mechanics.

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BigWolfUK
Sons-of-Liberty
#36 - 2014-11-06 11:16:52 UTC  |  Edited by: BigWolfUK
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:

Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps.....Blink

Except they didn't have to be before dueling either. Since they could use the jetcan method to create the old version of a limited engagement. Know your agro mechanics.


The jetcan method would leave your webbing alt as a suspect and shootable by everyone. It could even make your freighter pilot go suspect if you were really daft. Know your aggro mechanics.


Sure, now it does...
But, before the mechanic changes, it would only have you suspect to whomever owned the can (and their corp if it wasn't NPC IIRC)
The dueling mechanic was more or less put in place to allow you to have 1v1s, and intra-corp webbing, without the need of can-dropping, due to suspect becoming shootable by everyone after the change
Serene Repose
#37 - 2014-11-06 18:34:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
I thought the idea behind this slingshotting with a webber was to save time. Now, the solutions involve various administrative functions that will easily take up what few seconds this virtual rubber band would save.

I really think solutions to non-existent problems should be better thought out than this. Don't you?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#38 - 2014-11-06 18:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
somedudeinaship wrote:
I don't know jack about freighters, but can that Capital Higgs Anchor Rig help? Or would you still need a web buddy? Pirate


If freighters had rig slots Higgs would make it impossible to bump them.

As for the Web, the only way they can remove webbing a freighter is by removing PvP. The same can be said of ganking as well.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#39 - 2014-11-06 20:23:37 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
I thought the idea behind this slingshotting with a webber was to save time. Now, the solutions involve various administrative functions that will easily take up what few seconds this virtual rubber band would save.

I really think solutions to non-existent problems should be better thought out than this. Don't you?

Duel request once the entire trip, LE lasts the whole time. You don't have to do it every single warp. Seriously, go try it now. Make a duel to the webber, gate away, web each gate.
Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
#40 - 2014-11-06 23:12:25 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:

Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps.....Blink

Except they didn't have to be before dueling either. Since they could use the jetcan method to create the old version of a limited engagement. Know your agro mechanics.


The jetcan method would leave your webbing alt as a suspect and shootable by everyone. It could even make your freighter pilot go suspect if you were really daft. Know your aggro mechanics.


I think if you search the killboards you will find a few who have learned that fact the hard way already.
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