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Move-In Report

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Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#1 - 2014-11-03 16:16:06 UTC
I've been preparing to move into a WH for a couple months now, yeah I know, I'm slow. But it's just me with my one account and 3 toons on that account, so it takes a lot of careful consideration and cross-training. Of course I've been a bit over-cautious and too worried about perfect cross-training, and eventually one just has to get on with it and see what happens.

I woke up Saturday morning around 5:00am, and laid there for what felt like 45 minutes thinking about wormholes. When I looked at the clock and realized it had actually been 1 hour and 45 minutes, I got up, took a shower, and headed for the computer room. With my family asleep it was a nice quiet time to get things rolling.

Starting out in Charmerout, in the Essence region, I scanned down a sig which turned out to be a WH, a C2 even, with a static to high sec. Thinking I'd hit the lottery I jumped in and checked the place out. Man was it packed, there weren't a lot of moons but they all had POS's on them, all offline, except for one. So I bailed and moved to Yvangier, the low sec system next door. This time I found two WH's, one led to null, the other to a C3. I passed on the C3 because my goal was a C2.

For the next hour I wandered high sec along the border of Essence and The Citadel. Found another C2, this one with some open moons but still with lots of offline POS's and the single, obligatory, online POS. Then I found a C1 that was really active. Also found a WH full of Russians, really active, lots of POS's and ships in space, I think that was a C2. What I was learning was that anything with a High Sec Static wasn't going to be a ghost town.

At this point I was starting to get discouraged, but if scanning for a couple hours was going to deter me I wouldn't be moving into a WH anyway. Then I got a lucky break, in Mesokel a dead-end system nearby, I found a C2 with three offline POS's and no active ones. The WH was nearing the end of it's life, that still means less than 4 hours to go right? I didn't care, this was the one, I was moving in. It was 5 jumps from my staging system, I wasn't going to get a better shot than this.

So I Prowler'd up, and put the POS in place, all while some other high sec guy was in the hole scanning it. He came in behind me and was the only person I saw outside a POS the entire morning in WH space. Now my main alt was already in the hole, I used him to do all the scanning. But once the POS was up he had to leave to shuffle stuff around. I managed to get him back into the hole before my wife and kid started pestering me about getting food.

At this point I've got something less than 3 hours left on my entry WH, my Orca with all the stuff is still outside the hole, and I'm driving to get Arby's. That made for a stressful 20 minutes. But I managed to get back, get the Orca, scout for myself (hard with one account) and get it to the POS. All that's left is my secondary alt moving my Drake and then getting her back in with a scanning ship. The first part went ok, got the Drake in, but by the time that alt got back the second time in a Heron there was nothing left on the overview where the WH should have been.

Not quite the perfect move in, but close enough. Two out of three toons in the WH with scanning gear, POS up with 28 days of fuel. So I started scanning again, to find the alt another way in... (continued in next post)

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-11-03 16:36:06 UTC
Nice!
Thanks for sharing and would like to See wehre this is going to in the Long Run.Smile
Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#3 - 2014-11-03 16:46:53 UTC
It's still Saturday, move-in day, but several hours later. I have some free time so I start scanning out my new home. The first thing I realize is that I didn't move in through a static, it was a wanderer. It had occurred to me when I saw the B274 on the inside, but I didn't really think about it much at the time. After a bit of scanning, and paying closer attention to the info at StaticMapper, I realized this was a C2 with statics to Null and C5 space. Not what I was looking for, in terms of ease of refueling the POS, but still potentially awesome, and maybe a bit quieter due to isolation from the routes others would seek.

My first Null connection went to Detorid, which is in the middle of nowhere, so I just jumped back into the hole. I scanned down the C5 static and left it alone. At this point I took a look at what sigs and anoms were in system, and it had a bunch. Something like 10 anoms and 10 sigs. All the non-WH sigs were gas sites. The anoms were a mix of Ore and Combat sites, with Ore being most of them. So I pulled out a Venture and cleared a gas site while pondering how to get my alt in and how to reliably get fuel on a regular basis. I've never spammed the scan button so frequently before in my life. It all went fine though, and I logged off with a lot to think about.

Sunday morning rolls around, and I manage to sleep in a bit longer. In the hour or so I had before leaving to run errands I scan down the hole and find some interesting stuff. The first is a Frigate hole to a C3, which has two links to Null, Vale of the Silent and Fountain. Now Fountain was a possibility, my alt was in a frigate, but not a covert ops, and the system was a dead end in the pipe to Cloud Ring. It still would be a long shot so I went back to scanning my home hole. This time I scanned down the C5 static, a new one, and jumped inside. I was rewarded with a static to low sec, 7 jumps from Hek. Jackpot!

After making sure the required bookmarks were all in the corp list, I went back to my POS and logged in the alt. She made the 19 jumps from Mesokel to Tabbetzur and two WH jumps to our home, which relieved a little bit of stress. Daring to risk lowering my standings with my wife I grabbed the Prowler and went for POS fuel. After one quick run I was up another 9 days of fuel and my wife was only slightly annoyed.

More to come...

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#4 - 2014-11-03 17:38:15 UTC
Later in the day on Sunday, with my errands complete, I log back into EVE. I've got about an hour so I pull out the Drake and proceed to run a Perimeter Checkpoint. It took longer than I expected, but I was taking care to be aligned to something as much as I could. Those BS's take forever to kill, might need to look into some T2 rage missiles for them, or something. Afterwards I looted and salvaged in a Magnate. Total time was around 45 minutes.

Earlier I had promised my son we could build stuff with Legos, and having seen my POS he wanted to build space stuff. So we wandered off to build space Legos. I tried to make a recreation of my POS, but ended up with something a little fatter and a little uglier. It's not done yet, but I'll post pics if it looks decent at the end.

Later that night with the wife and kid in bed, as I worked on the never-ending loads of laundry, it was EVE time again. This time I cracked the seal on one of the Ore anoms and mined Kernite until my eyeballs could take no more. Before logging off I fired up the compression array so I could see 30k+ m3 turn into ~60 m3 that is worth the same amount of ISK. Pretty cool stuff, and a good end to a weekend of EVE.

Sometime on Sunday I had a second Frigate hole that I never looked into. Also my original plan was to bring in a Domi, for some reason. Having gone through what I did I'm going to leave it outside for now. It would really complicate my emergency evac plan. I think I have enough on my plate as it is, no need for additional complications.

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

Sam Spock
The Arnold Connection
#5 - 2014-11-03 18:16:05 UTC
This is a great read! As someone who wants to go play in w-space some day this good stuff to see.

Giving you Inconsistent grammar, speilling and Punct-uation since 1974!

Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2014-11-03 20:18:46 UTC
Niskin wrote:
Later that night with the wife and kid in bed.


GETTIN' FREAKY Oops

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Tomz0r
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-11-03 21:07:37 UTC
Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#8 - 2014-11-03 21:18:01 UTC
Thanks guys, it was a lot of fun. I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff, although apparently I didn't forget the kinky sex, thanks Jester...

Watch for my future updates, likely to be called "Ships I've lost trying to do solo pvp" and "If POS's ran on peanut butter sandwiches, I could rule the world!" Maybe I'll even bring the Dominix in and shoot some offline POS's. That could open a serious can of worms though. Gonna play it safe until I get things running smoothly.

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#9 - 2014-11-03 21:38:36 UTC
Tomz0r wrote:


Wow, that's a heck of a story, more stressful than mine for sure. I've been thinking about this for over a year, not constantly or anything, just mulling the idea from time to time. Last spring when I resubbed for the monument I was going to try it but I wasn't ready. Then I resubbed again around the beginning of September and have spent all my time preparing for it since.

Putting up the POS with a Prowler and making one trip in with the Orca ended up being a smart move. It left me exposed for the least amount of time. Got the POS up fastest with about 3 days of fuel and some strontium. Then all the Orca had to do was unload in the safety of the shields. Filling the fuel and strontium bays up at that point.

I should also mention that I had the same problem with the POS shields as that guy. I hadn't setup a POS from scratch since 2007 on the Test Server, and just spaced out on that one detail. Once I set the password it all came back to me, although I've already forgotten what I set the password to.

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#10 - 2014-11-03 23:21:06 UTC
C5/Null holes are really not so bad. They are best for PVPers, but PVE is still very good.

Your biggest danger running as a solo guy will be getting podded out with all your toons, so all of your toons need to have probes (cloak + depot + launcher) at all times. You can make enough ISK to cover your fuel inside the wormhole, and when you've scrubbed out all the PVE inside, the best bet is nullsec, where you can rat very profitably indeed for hard cash.

Logistically, having the prowler will be a great benefit for you. You will get a fair few inbound C2's (from D382/A239) and lowsec exits that way. Mostly the C5's will exit to nullsec, occasionally to lowsec. Direct K162 from hisec will be a rare treat. As long as you maintain a month's fuel in reserve, you won't be too stressed, but you do have to take your fuel run chances when they come.

This is also why nullsec ratting can be good - liquid ISK means you don't *need* to run expensive loot out through dangerous lowsecs to sell it to raise the cash for fuel.
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2014-11-03 23:25:28 UTC
Welcome to wormhole space :)

Moving in for the first time was one of the most exciting EVE experiences for me, thanks for sharing the story!

Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#12 - 2014-11-04 16:26:44 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
C5/Null holes are really not so bad. They are best for PVPers, but PVE is still very good.

Your biggest danger running as a solo guy will be getting podded out with all your toons, so all of your toons need to have probes (cloak + depot + launcher) at all times. You can make enough ISK to cover your fuel inside the wormhole, and when you've scrubbed out all the PVE inside, the best bet is nullsec, where you can rat very profitably indeed for hard cash.

Logistically, having the prowler will be a great benefit for you. You will get a fair few inbound C2's (from D382/A239) and lowsec exits that way. Mostly the C5's will exit to nullsec, occasionally to lowsec. Direct K162 from hisec will be a rare treat. As long as you maintain a month's fuel in reserve, you won't be too stressed, but you do have to take your fuel run chances when they come.

This is also why nullsec ratting can be good - liquid ISK means you don't *need* to run expensive loot out through dangerous lowsecs to sell it to raise the cash for fuel.


The thought had crossed my mind that I should harvest Gas in my C5 static, but it didn't occur to me to rat in my Null static. That's a great idea for quick liquid ISK I can use when I have the need. It's also a great reason to bring in that Domi. This hole choice is looking better every day!

All my alts have been logging off in scanning ships so far and I plan to keep doing that. Even my Drake and Orca have probe launchers just in case I have to log off in them for some reason. Need to get one on the Prowler too, I forgot to do it before I moved in.

Once I get a surplus of ISK for fuel I'll start looking at PvP ships to bring in. I did bring a few frigate hulls in for PvP, so I'd have something I could use and also take advantage of frigate holes. Not gonna say what those are at this point, the killboard will show them off soon enough, win or lose.

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-11-04 17:20:29 UTC
Niskin wrote:
[quote=Trinkets friend]
All my alts have been logging off in scanning ships so far and I plan to keep doing that. Even my Drake and Orca have probe launchers just in case I have to log off in them for some reason. Need to get one on the Prowler too, I forgot to do it before I moved in.



Welcome to WH space. Enjoyed your read, as I can relate that wife/family aggro is often more dangerous than sleeper aggro.

You'll want to get your alts running PI to make as much POS fuel in the hole as you can. Once you set it up, maintaining it is easy, and if you make more than you need, then profit, or pay for fuel blocks with the leftovers.

With regards to having probe launchers, keep one, some probes, and a mobile depot in your PVE and PVP ships. There's not a major need to have every ship equipped with one, but you're correct in thinking you should probably have one available.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.

Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#14 - 2014-11-04 17:34:23 UTC
I guess I should take a second look at PI then... I've got the skills trained to 4ish on my main and was doing some in Low Sec before I moved in. It just always seemed like a lot of management for almost no ISK. I've only taken it as far as collecting resources from the planet and making that into something. Didn't try taking that and making something else from it though.

The fees for getting the stuff off the planet seemed excessive for what I was getting out of it also. I know that can be minimized by owning the customs office or whatever it's called. Flipping the ones in my wormhole might be doable, it's just more stuff to look into.

If I can get more m3 of fuel out of an m3 of ice I bring in then that alone would be worth it. I'm all for getting it cheap, but cutting down my runs to k-space would be the real benefit. Thanks for the heads up.

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#15 - 2014-11-06 16:50:17 UTC
I didn't look at ice specifically, but in terms of the refined ice products it is about 3/4th's as much stuff to haul in for the same amount of fuel. The cost of those products are less than a fuel block, even at non-optimal prices for the products versus the cheapest fuel block orders. Without knowing the customs office fees it still seems like a win/win situation.

I think it would be a little easier if my WH had a Plasma planet, then it would be doable with 3 installations. Without that it will take 4 but that's only a little bit more training, or I could train up an alt and split them up. Since I already have an ammo assembly array it's just a matter of getting the BPO and some command centers.

Last night I logged in to play for a while and scanned down my connections. 4 wormholes, 2 statics, no frigate holes. Two of them went to null, Catch and somewhere else I don't remember. Both were active, one had combat probes out so I GTFO of there quick. The non-static wspace WH was a C4 full of Russians. Since I've been dabbling with learning the language I spent some time trying to read their tower and ship names off the d-scan list. Their other exit was to wspace and I wasn't feeling real adventurous so I went back through mine. For some reason I don't remember checking out my C5 static, must have spaced out on that.

At this point I was getting ready to run a combat site. Things had been quiet the whole time I was out scanning so it seemed like a good time to do so. Suddenly I was blindsided by an argument with the wife, about EVE, or rather about paying attention to her. This isn't the first time that's happened and I've been a bit distracted this week with moving into the WH and also forum-warrioring about Phoebe.

About 30 minutes later I wander back to my computer cave to try and run this darned site so I can logoff and do damage control. Probes? Who the crap has probes out in my WH? Don't they know this isn't a good time for me? So I warp over to the center of the system to see if those probes lead to any kind of a target showing up on scan. And I wait, and wait, and... seriously, slow prober person, you have sister's probes and it's still taking this long? Nothing ever showed up on scan, I gave up before they finished whatever TiDi probing they were doing. So it was back to the POS to logout and go finish the discussion with the wife.

This morning I got up and had some spare time before I had to leave to take my son to school and to go to work. So I logged in and tried to run that combat site again. Checked scan, nothing. The site is like 1 AU from my POS which is off to one side of the system. So I'm hoping that d-scan isolation will buy me some time to get this done. I warp to the site, land in the site, hit d-scan, sister's probes again! It's just bad luck of course but I did laugh for a moment thinking that the same guy was still trying to scan out the system from last night. I'm starting to wonder if these are null folks coming in looking for the new sites.

So the timer on my decently placed combat site is now ticking, but I don't know if I will get to it before it despawns. The rest of this week may be spent raising my wife standings. That's fine, there are plenty of sites up, and I'm not currently under any real time crunch. The hard part is convincing myself that I should be doing anything else besides playing EVE. I have all these things to do! People just don't get spaceships, they don't love them like I do.

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#16 - 2014-11-06 18:41:53 UTC
Wonderful story. Reminds me being the boss of my first c2 wr sys ;D
I was not the Drake guy though.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#17 - 2014-11-07 04:50:41 UTC
Your enthusiasm is inspiring. If you developed a preparation checklist with all your planning, please share it. It would be useful to other players who might be thinking of WH's.

Never forget: RL > Eve. You need to build up some spousal bonus points -- especially since Eve life would be much better if one of those alts was on a separate account. Smile
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#18 - 2014-11-07 10:37:00 UTC
I love to read stuff like this. I only occasionally dive into w-space just to feel the thrill of unknown but I always find it interesting to read about hands on experiences others share. It's always better to learn from their derps than my own should I ever commit myself to wh life :)

Thanks OP, would read more.

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Tol Vir
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#19 - 2014-11-07 10:38:18 UTC
Great read,

Welcome to the fun world that is WH's

Probes on scan when running sites is always horrid, You should try get a 2nd account so you can train a quick 1 or 2 month scan alt, as you can then "Picket" one of your incoming holes probs the null might be best that way you can see if someone jumps in and drops probes. That way if your not scrammed in the site you can keep running while aligned out until his friend might arrive,

Sometimes people are looking for a shortcut through WH's or sites that dont have rats, and might not have a combat ship friend to come kill you.

Maybe one day I will scan through you.

Good luck with your future in WH's hopefully you find your feet properly and you never know you might get a few friends to join you and get a few more pos'es up and have huge amounts of fun
Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#20 - 2014-11-07 13:39:39 UTC
Niskin wrote:
So the timer on my decently placed combat site is now ticking, but I don't know if I will get to it before it despawns. The rest of this week may be spent raising my wife standings. That's fine, there are plenty of sites up, and I'm not currently under any real time crunch. The hard part is convincing myself that I should be doing anything else besides playing EVE. I have all these things to do! People just don't get spaceships, they don't love them like I do.


Oh yeah, I left out a really important detail... i have two sons, not one. Ok so that's not really an important detail, but it is relevant to the rest of the story. You see my older son is 16, has a truck and drives himself to school. At least for the last month or so he has, before that I had to get up super early to take him. Last night my wife informed me that I had to drive him to school in the morning, and I'm thinking "oh god, what happened?" It turns out nothing happened, the kids are just going to their grandmother's house this weekend and his truck would be stuck at school.

Why is that important? Because of that stupid combat anomaly I kicked yesterday that will be nearly ready to despawn this morning. I figured I'd get up a little early and run it before we leave, the wife will be asleep so it won't affect my standings. With my alarm set for 5:30, I woke up at 4:50 on my own. Laid there for a few minutes and then got up, thinking I'd have plenty of time to get this all done. After I showered I ran down to the computer cave, logged in, and boom, 6 minutes until downtime. Dammit!

For whatever reason I thought downtime was at 12:00, but it's actually at 11:00. Luckily it only lasted 15 minutes, so I folded some laundry and then logged back in. From there it was a cake walk, no probes on scan this time, and I ran the site in about 22 minutes, looted and salvaged for 8 minutes and walked out the door to take the kids to school right on time. Now that nagging feeling is gone and I'm ahead of the curve on ISK for fuel this month.

Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Your enthusiasm is inspiring. If you developed a preparation checklist with all your planning, please share it. It would be useful to other players who might be thinking of WH's.

Never forget: RL > Eve. You need to build up some spousal bonus points -- especially since Eve life would be much better if one of those alts was on a separate account. Smile


I'll have to look and see what I have. There was a google doc I did way back when I first had the idea, probably a year or two ago. I think that was just for calculating what would fit in the Ship Hangar of the Orca and the basic costs of everything I needed, excluding modules and so forth. I'll try to type up a framework for the plan I used and post it here when I can. It will take a while and there's a lot to remember. Some things were planned at the last minute, like the order I was going to do everything for the move in. I was literally laying in bed the night before trying to figure out how not to paint myself into a corner.

As far as the RL stuff, I've begun refocusing on the wife, which I have to do from time to time even when EVE isn't involved. This time of year we spend a lot of time with her family and I think that will help, we won't be home a lot which is when i tend to wander off to do my own thing.

The separate account thing has always been a tough call for me. In my early days I couldn't afford it. Now I can, but my PC is low end as far as gaming is concerned and while my spare machine is faster it has an old graphics card. I do have a friend who played once for a few months and if I wanted that account I could have it. I almost did that before this move, but now I'm going to hold off and see if I really need it. Honestly I'd probably look to join a corp with other people before I'd rely on another account. I'm just not a fan of trying to balance two things at once like that.

It's Dark In Here - The Lonely Wormhole Blog

Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.

-MooMooDachshundCow

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