Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The lone frigate is never going to kill your mega whether you have him webbed or not. It is just a stalemate, and the web itself isn't helping you hit many other things but the frigate. Seeing as other ships are easier to hit.

It is a mobile depot. You are literally just switching all of these things on the spot. You have them throughout. Seeing as frigate versus frigate fights can last 60 seconds, I imagine your battleship would last just as long if not longer especially seeing as it is a battleship.

What?

5 merlins can punch out over 1300 DPS...

I don't think you understand this quite as well as you think you do.

To throw something else in here:

Any buff you make to frigates in general is going to also buff stealth bombers. Bombers can already tear battleships a new one. A pack of just a couple bombers fit with damps, TDs, and long points can completely negate any possible response from their battleship target, whilst outputting 650-750 DPS, each, against that battleship. Bombers are the frigates designed to be the counter to battleships and battlecruisers.

Most frigates aren't really designed to be able to kill ships larger than cruisers, and that's intended. The entire point of larger ships like battleships and battlecruisers is that they sacrifice a huge amount of mobility and agility for an enormous amount of tank.

I mean, there are a LOT of frigates that can apply 200-300 DPS from well outside web range, while still keeping the target locked down. Many have room to fit a TD to even further nullify turret ships. They won't break the tank of most self-rep battleships, and that's intended, but they can certainly take on cruisers. They just can't brawl with them, and that's fine. Scrams and webs are designed to prevent speed-tanking at brawling ranges.

You are right, I have little experience flying larges, but I have enough experience flying smalls to know that attacking battleships with frigates are not cost effective.

This is not a buff to frigates. This would not effect stealth bombers seeing as they are never in range of webs as it is. Bombers are a terrible counter to battleships and battlecruisers. They simply aren't cost effective. There are not many frigates that can apply 200-300 dps from outside of web range. The ones that can are niche'd to do that at sacrifice much in other standards. It doesn't make sense that they weren't designed to kill those classes. Any class should kill any class under optimal situations or bad piloting. That is balance. These classes being reserved to only a certain scale of classes limits their existence in game. Scrams and webs are great for stopping speed tanking at brawling ranges, but eliminating a ship classes sole effectiveness is much.

have you ever PVPED even? Outside of large blob fights you simply cannot get ANY kills if you remove webs. They used to be 4 times more powerful in past ( base ones were 90%).

If you reduce them to 40% for example, they become USELESS and everyone will ALWAYS be able to crash back to a gate.

So if you want to nerf webs you need to provide an alternative way to enforce combat definition.

I fly frigates because they are the most entertaining and challenging ship to fly imo. In a game where I can simply plex for stuff that I want. Wealth isn't an issue. A triple repped Iteron with two injectors and several thousand ehp is not a frigate before that Megathron depleted its capacitor it landed several hits that would have killed a frigate that it made contact with. Also killing a high sec carebear by catching them off guard isn't exactly challenging to begin with. I am not saying that they don't need webs. I am saying that they webs should be more costly for them to fit.

Nevermind how it is a terrible idea to solo roam in a battleship in many areas anyway, and while that is an inevitability that a Megathron would be defeated by the Merlins, the idea is; just like the Merlin had to bring more merlins to kill the mega, the mega should bring something to kill the merlins. More merlins are more people. That is capital. A 2 million isk module is not capital.

Frigates get more buffer than that iteron with a vastly smaller sig. That battleship gets a tracking bonus and still couldn't hit something SIX times larger than an assault frigate and it had a whopping 38 DPS compared to the 250-400 dps of a frigate. Nerf webs and you make it impossible for a turret battleship to counter frigates.