Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As it is webs are just a bad game mechanic. What kind of balance is a weapon that nullifies an entire ships classes SOLE advantage over larger ship classes. It is a seriously broken thing that is akin to a module that, "reduces target ships shield/armor hp by 60%"

Only Frigates, Destroyer, and ships specified to use webs (i.e Rapier, Daredevil, Vigilant, Vindicator) should be able to equip them as they are now. Other larger ship vessels that would like to use webs should have their own a different size/class web that has larger capacitor and CPU requirements, less effective slowing ability, but longer range when fitting them.

There are already lots of options for countering the speed of frigates and other fast ship, scrams (which actually make sense), neutralizers (which actually have larger requirements for larger classes), and target painters( which are actually terrible). It is a better idea to simply increase the tracking of all weapons across the board than to make a weapon that effectively makes an entire class pointless. This would also increase the pertinence of frigate and destroyer hulls in large battles, and precipitate, the "battles within battles" feel that would require more intricate and coordinated tactics in battles. This kind of change would remove interceptors from the role of "only class of ship that can engage fleets of larger ship classes" and again, increase the importance of fleet diversity, rather than fitting weapons that counter a ship for virtually no sacrifice in effectiveness.

Right now, there is simply no reason for large vessels (medium and up) to NOT equip webs; because their usefulness for eliminating smaller vessels is not outweighed by their scanty fitting requirements.

A lone frigate vs a lone battle cruiser should be a stalemate, with neither being able to break the others tank; without the battle cruiser bringing back-up to tackle the frigate down or the frigate bringing back-up to break the battle cruiser's defenses. Instead, this engagements plays out more like, "Battle cruiser webs down frigate (twice[?]), frigate dies."

It is a really stupid, unbalanced, and unrealistic, (although inventive) game mechanic, and it needs to be looked at.

The Bhaalghorn and Vindicator should be able to use their webs in a way that further compliment their standard weapon ranges anyway. The Loki (and possibly the Bhaalgorn as well) can have its ranges reduced if necessary, or they could just receive a flat bonus per level for extending web ranges, rather than one based on a multiplier. These flat range extensions can be scaled to the appropriate ship size.

-1, sorry. Webs are completely necessary. As it is any small ship can burn back to gate and escape death unless it's webbed. Without webs, all smaller ships are OP. Dual prop dramiels and other fast ships will become nearly impossible to kill, the daredevil will lose its utility. Long range web ships like the rapier and loki will also lose their utility.



One of the major constituents of EVE gameplay is that everything has a counter to prevent it from becoming overpowered. Remove webs and small/fast ships have no counter.

The counter to webs are prop mods. And what is wrong with a couple of ships in your fleet having webs fitted?

I also fail to see what possible use close range frigates and destroyers have in a large battle. They get volleyd off the field either during approaching or by cruisers and drones. They are wasted slots in a fleet. Long range frigates and destroyers, however, already have sufficient roles in fleets and are absolutely unaffected by webs.

What you seem to want is to use ships in roles and places where these ships have absolutely no use unless you arbitrarily change circumstances in their favor. It would be better to realize that not every ship is meant to be used in every situation. Some ships are meant for fleet battle, others are absolutely not -- and this is perfectly fine.

Im running around in an oracle with a TP, a web, and a tracking computer scripted for tracking speed. Im missing frig sized rats 100% of the time with battleship guns. Maybe mechanics work differently with player vs player, but webs seem fine to me.

The real issue of webs and TP is and always has been DRONES. You would likely have no complaint if drones were size restricted to certain hulls based on ship class. As it is, I don't understand why drones are either so powerful alpha or so good at tracking. Tristans with their full drone compliment in T2 are so ridiculously OP vs any other frig.

Trying to hit any frigate from that close with guns so large is ineffective unless you are in a Vindicator. Drones are not the problem. Drones are balanced enough that there are up-scaling consequences and requirements for larger ones. There are not up-scaling requirements for webs. Three fast cruisers can fit webs for no consequence to themselves snare a frigate and obliterate it completely, one cruiser can do that even. There is no module that allows the small to do the same. Smalls shouldn't be defenseless versus larges just because they have webs, and the succubus shouldn't be the only ship of its class relatively unconcerned with the problem.

The counter for cruisers, is more cruisers. The counter for frigates, is webs.

Prop mods have fitting requirements scaled to the ship. You can put a prop mod on that can help you go fast, but a cruiser can fit more webs, more easily, with more defenses, and more dps. I am NOT saying that webs should be REMOVED, but that the fitting requirements for them should be scaled. A there are not usually dedicated ships for webs in fleets. Virtually every brawling ship will carry one. If the ship is armor tanked there is no consequence or reduced effectiveness for fitting a web, you lose a minuscule amount of cpu, and virtually no powergrid, for the ability to severely incapacitate any frigate class ship. Frigates need webs for other frigates. This was mentioned in the post. Smalls can keep their own webs. Solo ships can keep their webs I never suggested that they didn't have them, but I suggested that they have a different kind. It is a false choice because there is no reason for not having them, there is only a benefit, with no drawback, therefore you are presented with a choice whose answer is obvious.

If you want to kill frigates in your battleship, and that battleship isn't a vindicator, bring another frigate with you, or bring a Rapier, Loki, Vigilant, or destroyer. Just like if you wanted to kill a battleship in your frigate, you would bring an attack battleship to help you.

Webs are the only reason I stand any chance of hitting smaller ships with my solo mega.

you are very ironically proving my point when you point out that those ships have "extremely adverse effects on enemy tackle" which are, often enough, frigates. When pitting those same kity ships up against the tanks of cruisers and battlecruisers they ineffective.

What about a modification to webs, where the power of the web is not a fixed percentage decrease in target speed, but a fixed Newton-metre per metre of sig radius in drag?

Thus a small web would be effective against frigates but useless against larger ships, while a large web would be effective against battleships but ineffective against frigates.