EVE General Discussion

Without wanting to be a complete a55 now, and you've pushed me on this all night without so much providing anything but your opinion, how are you defining the "vast majority"?

You should just think of all of this as miniluv and your life will be easier.

TL;DR, but.

I haven't ganked anything except red + signs since 2010 (when I last solo ganked hulks in cheaper-than-insurance megathrons). That said, here are things that worked in the past that may still work now.

1. Fly crap that doesn't hurt when you lose. A 900 k sp alt with no implants / basic insurance is enough to ice mine effectively. We're talking procurer with t1 strips, if you get ganked just shrug and undock in a new one. It'll take your gankers longer to sit out the countdown than it will for you to re-make the ISK completely AFK. Fit a few kin/therm dirt cheap rigs in addition to the ice mining one for fun. I flew this on alts I specifically made last ice interdiction and was soundly ignored. Paying for a permit is moronic. OTOH, if you are an industrialist you should still consider funding the CODE. guys because they drive demand for ships and modules and they do it completely for free.

2. When freightering be prepared to pre-stink the dangerous gates CONCORD. You will need more crap alts to do this. For best effect do this JUST as you see the gank squad coming on dscan.

3. Get friends. Yes, your jump freighter may only have 500k ehp (or your orca only 240k), but if you have a bunch of neutral domis following to remote rep shields, armor AND structure while popping 5 mid slots worth of cap boosters suddenly the thing is much tougher to crack. Feel free to logoffski and get your own logi domi from 10 jumps away when aggressed, it's unlikely you'll die in 15 minutes unless someone big is hellbent on killing you and only you. Real logistics ships are nicer, of course, but who can fly that crap that isn't farming incursions? If you *DO* have a command ship pilot alt you can even have them tag along in something webby, boosty and reppy. Did I mention you can have all those domi guys spew out a truly ridiculous amount of heavy ECM and/or logistics drones of assorted flavors as well? Now, if people want to one-shot 200-500k ehp with Tornados that's still possible -- but you REALLY have to have pissed someone off for them to wrangle that kind of posse just for you.

4. Don't come down normal corridors. Jump in from somewhere unexpected.

The difference is that you never had a large group of players with a significant SRP who sit in highsec all day, every day, suicide ganking people. It's not the mechanics that have changed, it's the desire of a large swath of the nullsec playerbase to try and make highsec uninhabitable for new/casual players.

Again with the rose tinted inaccurate history. In 2008,2009,2010 the 0.0 corp I belonged to had a month long internal mining ship hunting competition. The desire to create something that struck fear and rage into the hearts of others has always been there.

0.0 players are not trying to hurt new players. The fact a heavily weighted CSM has agreed with the awoxing change put forward by a 0.0 leader is pretty clear evidence to the contrary.

How effective was your campaign? How much damage did you do? Compare to the current situation and all past sustained campaigns look farcical. The fact that some residents of nullsec support removing a rather irrational and nonsensical feature allowing you to freely shoot corpmates, which adds precisely no value to the game, and is completely unintuitive, does not demonstrate their affections for new/casual players. Who is funding CODE? Who funded a Venture killing competition that overwhelmingly targeted new playets? And who has been scamming new players out of untold sums through fake "recruitment' schemes?

Confirming that after adjusting for inflation 1 trillion + in damage in a month by a single organization is nothing special and happened all the time.

Hard to see how making it easier for EVERYONE to make ISK in highsec would "widen the gap between new players and old," considering that currently the new players are getting blown out of the game through awoxxing/wars/ganking while the vets are already set up for success in highsec or can safely farm null/wh/fw.

Gonna need to work on the Veers is widening the gap between the rich and the poor line of attack a bit more before it makes any sense. Maybe go read some more Obama speeches.

280 mil isn't that much, no.





It's easy for me to see how. But then, I'm not stupid or deluded.





Citation needed. From what CCP tells us, it's that new players are not experiencing enough conflict, since just leveling your Raven is sufficiently boring to make people quit.




Making highsec safer means that older players experience less loss.

This means that they can farm in safety with their higher skillpoints and more powerful ships long before a new player can ever reasonably do those things. Without loss, the older player never loses anything to bring his level of wealth lower, and he can increase his far more quickly than a new player can.

You are literally kicking newbies in the face by making highsec safer. Every little bit just means less effective purchasing power for new players.

Except that nullsec is a LOT LESS RISKY than highsec, and yet nullsec missions pay far more, as does nullsec mining, not to mention anomalies. A risk/reward based system would involve massive nerfs to blue donut nullsec space.

I know in 2009 I took it seriously and personally had over 100 hulk kills. That is but one player. That corp had over 200 members..

I believe this demonstrates affection for new players

Who is funding CODE? The same people who funded M0o? Kugu? Peturssson? Anybody who likes seeing ships explode?

I would argue killing new players in ventures is better than letting them plex up into macks and then killing them. One enables a new pilot to learn that eve is harsh and move on quickly.

Goons do not scam newbies. Goons scam idiots who do no research and can not read big red writing on the front of their homepage.