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What if new players were not attackable by others for X days?

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somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#1 - 2014-11-02 20:31:31 UTC
Just imagine, new players join the game and can be given a reasonable safe amount of time to learn the game before they become free game for all. Now this idea would not work of course if the new player started attacking other players, as the restriction then would be instantly removed.

Seems fair right? Was wondering what your thoughts on a change like this might be.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-11-02 20:33:47 UTC
Not so stealth "please don't nerf high sec awox" thread.



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Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#3 - 2014-11-02 20:33:54 UTC
They wouldn't learn anything and they'd know nothing about eve, they might even leave due to lack of content.

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somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#4 - 2014-11-02 20:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: somedudeinaship
Mharius Skjem wrote:
They wouldn't learn anything and they'd know nothing about eve, they might even leave due to lack of content.


How would they learn anything at all if they don't even know what just happened to them?

EDIT: Also has nothing to do with the changes to Awoxing coming up in a future patch
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-11-02 20:45:40 UTC
Then people would roll new alts to get unkillable scouts, or move officer mods/plex/BPO's in their invincible rookie ships.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#6 - 2014-11-02 20:46:59 UTC
somedudeinaship wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:
They wouldn't learn anything and they'd know nothing about eve, they might even leave due to lack of content.


How would they learn anything at all if they don't even know what just happened to them?

EDIT: Also has nothing to do with the changes to Awoxing coming up in a future patch


Lot's of new players like to go lowsec and explore things and expose themselves to PvP. And many of the "new players" are actually alts of experienced players and should absolutely not get some kind of free protection period.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2014-11-02 20:52:30 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Then people would roll new alts to get unkillable scouts, or move officer mods/plex/BPO's in their invincible rookie ships.


This.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#8 - 2014-11-02 21:03:39 UTC
somedudeinaship wrote:
Seems fair right? Was wondering what your thoughts on a change like this might be.

Why would you want to deprive a newbie from all the fun?

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-02 21:06:32 UTC
somedudeinaship wrote:
Just imagine, new players join the game and can be given a reasonable safe amount of time to learn the game before they become free game for all. Now this idea would not work of course if the new player started attacking other players, as the restriction then would be instantly removed.

Seems fair right? Was wondering what your thoughts on a change like this might be.


Yeah, this wouldn't be exploited with "risk free" alts to hell and back.

All current EVE players would keep it fair and don't use that option.

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The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2014-11-02 21:06:37 UTC
New players need to be introduced to the harsh realities of Eve earlier, not protected from them indefinitely.





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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#11 - 2014-11-02 21:14:45 UTC
somedudeinaship wrote:
Just imagine, new players join the game and can be given a reasonable safe amount of time to learn the game before they become free game for all. Now this idea would not work of course if the new player started attacking other players, as the restriction then would be instantly removed.

Seems fair right? Was wondering what your thoughts on a change like this might be.


I actually think the opposite.

When I started playing DayZ I got shot instantly by the first few people I met. It's that type of game and I knew instantly what the deal was. It also made meeting players and forming friendships mean something more.

If anything new players should be taugh that people kill each other in EVE but also that dying is not a problem and to learn how to make it less of a problem.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-11-02 21:15:35 UTC
somedudeinaship wrote:
Just imagine, new players join the game and can be given a reasonable safe amount of time to learn the game before they become free game for all. Now this idea would not work of course if the new player started attacking other players, as the restriction then would be instantly removed.

Seems fair right? Was wondering what your thoughts on a change like this might be.


The CFC decides to undock 6 fleets full of rookie ship fleet 100 plex in cargo and strut around Jita undock with ship fittings in local, screenshots of their cargohold with 100 PLEXes with a caption "Can't touch this!" and other silly stuff.

Other things include multiboxing 1000 ventures and taking away all of your ice before you even lock it and you can't even kill them in low/null/WH space.


TL;DR OP's suggestion is 100% pure bona fide retardation of the highest caliber that doesn't take into account what the creativity of EVE players.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#13 - 2014-11-02 21:41:48 UTC
Learning a game is hard when you're not allowed be part of the game.

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Old Man Parmala
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-11-02 22:07:29 UTC
Unkillable Bumping Stabbers! twould be great...
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-11-02 22:13:02 UTC
Spawn all newbies in a new region of space where firing on other players is completely disabled and guide them towards to exit as part of the tutorial. Then once they leave the region, explain very clearly that they are now free to be shot upon etc.

Easy peasy.

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Arla Sarain
#16 - 2014-11-02 22:17:01 UTC
What if the first new player mission was to attack another player?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2014-11-02 22:18:07 UTC
Well hello UNkillable bpc/officer mod transport ships.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2014-11-02 22:19:45 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Spawn all newbies in a new region of space where firing on other players is completely disabled and guide them towards to exit as part of the tutorial. Then once they leave the region, explain very clearly that they are now free to be shot upon etc.

Easy peasy.

No , **** that. Start them in faction warfare and delay the standing effects.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#19 - 2014-11-02 22:41:49 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
What if the first new player mission was to attack another player?

I so much wish this was the direction.

The approach of protecting new players and providing a risk free environment just teaches them that space is safe. It would be so much better for them to learn right from the start that space is dangerous.
somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#20 - 2014-11-02 22:45:24 UTC
Hmm, well maybe just for high sec, the moment they enter losec or null it's anything goes as usual. Let's keep high security safe for the newer players!
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