EVE General Discussion

Actually i tend to lose expensive implants quite often, and i couldnt care less about the cost of the clone it self, its only 45mill or so, its the implants that really costs.

I always wanted player made and traded clones on the market that and adding a clone vat bay to poses and brining back the concept of the Mothership.

make clones made out of biomass and PI stuff...

Several csm members have brought the issue of clone cost growth as u progress in eve, being punished for olaying it loyally. Ccp has lend us a willing ear, and u ll have too wait and see if and how this is going to lead to a chance. But your re certainly heard on the subject, rest is nda

Implants are a choice. I'm never forced to implant my clone. While a player can adapt his choice of implants to the probability of pod death, the upgrade costs are static regardless of the players income. While ISK efficiency isn't my main concern, I do make a point of not wasting it on pointless ventures. I would probably do more pointless but fun stuff if it wasn't an issue.

Well i do hope that CCP reviews the clone costs i prefer to PVP in small ships and paying more for the pod than for the ship is ********.

This discussion is not about implants.

You have a choice to fly with implants or not. You don't really have a choice with regards to the med clone.

It is a nice thought to have med clone costs mean something, but that's going to be a tough one without widening the skill gap. Cuz that's already there. In terms of bounuses to modules and ship performance, it's as if the higher SP clone has +5% to +25% implants for every single attribute.

That sounds like something higher SP characters should have to pay for, I know, but it's already been paid for with subs. Which touches on my point about CCP double dipping. Charge ISK (or PLEX or irl money) to accumulate SP, then charge ISK again to keep it whenever it gets used.. that's double!

One or the other, c'mon don't bleed me dry twice. This is an important point.

Also, I don't take Rise's announcement about permadeath seriously. I really think it was something he included for drama. The date of Hilmar's quote was comical, considering how long ago that was, and how much has changed since. It strikes me as a joke that you're supposed to realize is a joke.

But if it was true, instant SP would solve the problem of the invisible implants that high SP characters practically always have plugged in (that took years of subs to accumulate). Level IV skills and some strategic +4% implants could make the notion of rookie characters going toe-to-toe against older characters a reality.

If you have any ideas of how to make med clone choices worthwhile, I'm curious to hear them. I've thought about it over the last few days, and I don't have any ideas for ways to make med clone costs interesting.

The other issue with med clone cost choices is, should higher SP characters have access to more appealing choices than low SP players, for paying more?

I can't think of anything that wouldn't be outright OP. Can you?

bro, because it takes a year and 12 PLEX per 20 million SP.. that's not a bargain, that's the going rate.

what reason is there to accumulate SP if not the benefit (5% per level etc)

This is one of those lore ideas devs had in their head way back when. phrases like:

Mines. space mines. that would be an awesome idea.
Missiles. space missiles. that would be an awesome idea.
Defender missiles to shoot the space missiles.
Bombs. space bombs that have area of effect damage.
Doomsday weapons that are totally OP and annihilate everything (there won't be that many)
Powerful players should have to pay more for their pods because they're uber.

Players who don't undock, yeah that makes sense to them as a valid HTFU comment.

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One thing that bothered me about the reasons mentioned at EVE Vegas was their weak nature.

The 4% ISK sink figure minimizes the impact this expense has on players who undock. It makes a person think, "hell, 4% of my wallet, I could pay that." But for the player who enjoys sum T2 frigates, the cost is around 50% of undocking expenses for 100 million SP characters, and 65% for 200 million SP characters.

"Hurts older players" doesn't make sense to me at all, when players and devs are very attuned to judging cost vs risk vs reward. SP isn't accrued overnight, or for free, so if "hurts older players" is all CCP is reading from this situation, it's downright disturbing.

I take issue with the "lack of choice" reason because it doesn't strike me as the type of thing that motivates CCP to make good, difficult decisions. I'll cite reasons why things are bad when bringing up an idea, but you'll never catch me saying "because choice." It's just weak.

Overall, they strike me as cherry-picked, soft excuses that would lead you to believe they're thinking of the children. I would be very satisfied to hear med clones discussed with a sense of importance and urgency, now that Phoebe has launched and we can start admitting that med clone fees need to be addressed in Rhea.

Until I do, my cancelled subs are solidly locked away in deep freeze.

I can't speak for anybody else, but my 72m in skills costs about 13m ISK for a clone, and that is prohibitive to careless PvPing. What I mean is that if I have a bunch of Rifters or Ruptures or whatever and I want to go out and lose them spectacularly, I'm not going to continue doing so after getting podded more than once or twice in a day. Two poddings is roughly 3 unfitted Ruptures in cost.

I stopped training on this toon a couple years ago for that exact reason. Now I balance anything else I need against the risk of moving into a new clone tier. It's not expensive enough to keep me from PvPing, but it is a factor in whether I go out again after a loss.