EVE General Discussion

Since I’ve started playing EVE, one thing has been bothering me: the pointlessness of the bulk of PVP.
Now, I’m not questioning the fun factor. Each player will have their own definition of fun. I’m more puzzled by its lack of in-game benefit. I think most will agree that PVP is, at best, a poor isk maker or, at worst, a money sink (some form of well-planned piracy excluded). Consider some common PVP activities: FW plex hunting, when you’re not in a militia, low-sec roams, gate camping, high-sec corp wardecs, high-sec ganking or missioner baiting. They all share the same things: relatively easy, little preparation required and little to lose or gain (for the attacker at least). I get that “Some men just want to watch the world burn”. But I want to imagine some nefarious evil scheming in the darkness of space. Instead, we have psycho capsuleers on booster induced rampages shooting at everything for no particular reason.
I would like players to blow things up more because they want to, need to and less because they can… Maybe I’m too rational a guy, but I think it would cool for the EVE villains to be more Pr. Moriarty and less the Joker.
Anyway, any suggestion to make fighting more meaningful in general in EVE?

Few things to consider about EvE

1 Its not for everyone
2 you get out of it what you put into it :EFFORT:
3 Its not for everyone

PVP happens to create a market opportunity for the industrialists, they profit from it, but they don't organize it. Well, in EVE at least.

Do I believe some groups encourage and support other players to blow ships for profit? Sure. Do I believe the majority of the PVP I mentioned falls into that category? No.

No I understand the OPs sentiment and I share it to some extent. Im much less zerg and more cerebral, in fact thats why I enjoy Eves many complexities, and want to fight for a good reason or cause not just mindless PvP for its own sake. Thats why I have never been much into shooters and couldnt handle much WoTs as its mostly just that. I do enjoy it on occasion though so Im not entirely adverse to it.

Yet that being said I think that most people dont see it that way regarding PvP games. The purpose for most people is the enjoyment of destruction for its own sake and for them that is enough. Some need or want more to engage in it and some I think are really adverse to destructive tendencies and want to construct things and so wont engage in any PvP at all unless theyre getting ganked.

I also think that there is more than enough PvP to suit most tastes in Eve, but for the greater purposes youll probably have to dig deeper. Fighting FOR something rather than fighting just because will be a big step towards what youre looking for. So go out and find a group of people that are worth fighting for, and together find a reason to fight. Common goals will help a lot in this area.

PvP in Eve for the most part is ganking and griefing.

Sure its content, the lowest form of it.

Sadly, that is the type of pvp player that makes up most of Eve atm.

Moving the goalposts to defend your OP invalidates your position..

You said there was no in-game benefit, and I presented one. You then said industrialists did not organize PVP and when challenged you now want to change your position to something else.

PVP = Player vs Player. Not Pewer vs Pewer.

The term can be applied to the player driven market as well as combat activities. Actually trade and heavy industry can be a more ruthless arena to engage in than combat and requires significant preparation and execution. It's one of the few areas you can excel as a solo player.

If your ingame activities are measured in terms of profitability you will probably find it a bit difficult to understand the appeal of player driven combat.

The combat you describe doesn't include mercing, null or wormholes - which (in theory, at least) is where the money is. Fighting over areas of space which have assets you can extract is the reward. If ships lost for corp/alliance ops are covered by SRP policies it's generally just an exchange of time for the right to exploit the space you have access to.

I see your point though. Generally combat isn't a great earner, which is annoying for people who hate grinding to fund their hobby. If anything it's a time and ISK sink, which you have to finance by taking up a second job in the form of a mini-profession.

The lack of incentive is driving the current state of combat. If there's no reason to shoot a ship then any ship will do :/