EVE General Discussion

So obviously suicide ganking is a much better alternative than ganking then because even more ships blow up!
You bring forward a terrible mechanic. As Falcon (or was it Fozzie) said, if ships blowing up was good, then a 10% chance of blowing up every time you jump a gate would be a good mechanic.
It's not just about ships blowing up, it's about HOW ships blow up.

Learn to be inventive with your spying and awoxing. Learn to do it by sucking them into low sec, into duels for 'fit testing'. Adapt. Don't just sit there and cry because CCP are removing an easy mode for you. And awoxing is Easy Mode. No API check will catch a grown from scratch Alt.

Removing a terrible inconsistency from the rules of PvP is a good thing, as it allows CCP to increase the difficulty in evading war decs in return, as well as other ways to encourage meaningful PvP where both sides have fun.

It's kinda hard to run background checks to avoid Awoxing when you're part of a corp dedicated to accepting and training new players in order to help them stick with the game.

Because you whine about parts of the game, that most people understand and feel perfectly okay with. No one likes a whiner.




No he's not. EVE is a game of villenary and conflict. IF they take away Awoxing, they remove a intergial part of the game, a part that encourages caution, and helps develop real trust in a video game. Many people in my corp could F*** me over, but they don't, and that makes a bond that KEEPS people in the game, far longer than a solo mission runner afraid that he might lose his Billion isk Navy Raven.

CCP even has a song, HTFU, What does that tell you about how they feel about the subject?


EVE is MEANT to be a game where you can be the bad guy. It encourages it. Taking this away is an active attempt to change that. If the Trend keeps going, theres no point for EVE to call itself a 'dark' mmo.




No. Tears are a by-product. Awoxing some corp, is about an expensive killmail, good loot, and maybe a ransom and hence a good payday. Some, not many, but some, people make Isk BY Awoxing.

Awoxing is totally Pvp as well, Its more PVP then just a random lowsec fight. It's a mindgame, you pitting yourself against a larger force than you, with what is probably a less than 5-mil alt. And totally wrecking.

Suicide ganking is also, the same. Tears are a by-product. You can make a fortune burning a freighter and getting a good drop.



So Sorry. But this is suppose to be a game with assholes, and people who **** you off.


If you don't like that, than HTFU,

Good reply, Let me point out that just because someone doesn't have the same point of view as you they aren't whinging or has to HTFU.

Eve is and always will be a "dark" MMO. The thing you are missing is consequence. The fundamentals of the game haven't changed but the consequences have. As the game has evolved so too have players but the the diminishing penalty of being the bad guy haven't, Its all about balance and as much as people say Eve is easy, the ease at which someone can be that bad guy through awox or suicide gank is totally unbalanced towards the bad guy.

i support a concord response to awoxing.

You're correct, but it should be up to those who wish to play the game in the "safe manner" to protect themselves from those that wish to play in the "conflict/dangerous manner". Jenn plays the game in the "safe manner", as do I; both of us take precautions to ensure that we don't become victims of those who play in the "conflict/dangerous manner".

Not getting ganked because you took measures to prevent it is as much PvP as ganking those who fail to take those measures.

That swings both ways my friend.

in my eyes this kills most of eve

i dont awox myself but to me it seems idiotic safe gaurding the missioners/miners in high-sec

what next only pvp in low-sec on belts/planets?

This has the potential to be an even larger fiasco than Incarna.

As I do, I play the game with a small group of people but on my own most of the time. That's how i safe gaurd myself from awoxers, This is completely against what Eve wants but I don't want my game being ruined by an *******.

Curious, how do you safe guard yourself from lets says the idiotic ganking that is going on at the moment. The JF's, Freighters? There isn't anything. Now that the majority of the player base has ISK this is why I mention in a previous post, the consequence of engaging in a dark act has changed because it hasn't.

A lot of people seem to be forgetting here that awoxing works both ways - if you can awox a corp, they can fight back just as easily, if not more easily than if you were just ganking them or dueling one guy. As it is right now, a whole corp can gang up on you to take you down. Limit it to ganking/dueling and one guy at best is going to have that chance to beat you, at worst, no one at all. I can tell you now that if someone were to awox us, our first instinct wouldn't be to kick them, it would be to blow them up in the shiniest **** they have as much as possible and force them into quitting, and then continue blowing them up anyway. This move is pandering to the carebears, and as far as making things more welcoming to newbros, there's only so much cotton wool you can wrap them up in before they begin to expect it all the time.