EVE General Discussion

Doublepost.

And yet, here I am, after 7 years of surviving. EVE needs the right kinds of player not the 'just anyone' you'd like to see.

Yes, you could tank npc police and concord, but there was also considerably less people wanting you dead before. As the game has matured, more vet players have been settling into positions where they attack anyone and everyone, in highsec of all places. While the mechanics have softened up a little, the players haven't.[/quote]

Nonesense, Where is one scrap of evidence of what you believe? A single link showing any proof that this has happened.

I've actually seen people do what you are doing now. They don't truly remember how it was (or were not exposed to a wide enough range of the environment back then) so they believe that somehow things has gotten worse. This is why survey after survey says people think crime in my country has increased when in fact crime rates flee through the floor during that time period (i compie such stats for my agency as a side assignment).

In other words, your opinion is colored by a more than likely false perception.



The change wouldn't be the end of the world, it would be one more move in the wrong direction for a game like this. And yes, you are either lying, or incompetent if you don't understand that new players have it easier today than at any previous point in EVE.

Rarely if ever.

How so? Because I don't lap up CODE propaganda when they say "we're anti-botter, honest!". Their actions speak for themselves. They attack players who clearly aren't botting, soaking up the tears, while they ignore botters leaving them to chomp on through all of the rocks. If you take a step back and really look at it, you'll see that the effect they have is the exact opposite of their claimed objective. Whether or not that is by design or through enormous oversight is up to you to decide.

If a wardec mechanic (or any mechanic) is to exist in EvE it should be meaningful and choice/consequence based. The way wardecs can be simply ducked today however breaks this fundamental concept. It also defies logic...

The aggressor followed the rules and paid CONCORD for war rights, but the defender corp disbands and re-forms under another name to immediately invalidate the war. Does the aggressor get a refund? Does the aggressor get a refund even based on percentage of defenders who drop corp? No. Even though the aggressor may have a 'legitimate' complaint against the defender, they get shafted by a mechanic set up to favor the defender who can 'opt out' of the war entirely...

But seriously, even then a refund doesn't quite cut it does it. In WWII, could Poland have just opted-out of getting blitzed by Germany or paid a UN imposed fee to have the war by Germany voided? Could the USA 'opt out' and prevent the Pearl Harbor bombings just by changing their fricken name from 'USA' to 'USA2'?

War is hell. It has implications. If a war mechanic is to exist, it must not be duckable.

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The ideas here to nerf NPC corps, make wardeccs more powerful, etc.... completely miss the point of the CSM minutes which is that casual PvE players are already not engaging with Eve due to the awoxxing mechanics, and end up playing solo, getting bored and quitting the game. What they would like to be able to do is participate in group PvE without outlandish risks of being blown up. If anything, I would expect the game to move towards catering to that large group of people which really isn't looking for a combat experience in highsec.

Again, completely misrepresenting my point of view. I don't want "anyone" to play, I'd just like more than is currently being catered to. Again, it's not all of one or all of the other.

Observed behaviour is difficult to prove. Prove that it wasn't less common for people to be attacked as a noob during the infancy of the game when the population was lower.

So my opinion must be flawed while you're is obviously perfect? Get over yourself.

Well chances are the change is coming. CCP and the CSM seem to want it as do a fair portion of players. So HTFU.

Because you're promoting an elaborate scheme to increase ore prices, comparing apples to oranges (a procurer is not a retriever) alleging a priority targeting for newbies and ignoring the parsimonious theory.

They do it because it is the least effort for the most return, the same min/maxing idea everyone falls into.

So basically you and your ilk want WoW with spaceships, or perhaps Hello Kitty online 'spaceships edition'?

GTFO.

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Or the figures don't demonstrate a relationship of past Nerf-of-the-Month ideas and uptick on player attraction/retention.

Tell me, how did EvE last through it's first few years--a life-cycle in which nearly all other MMO's are born and then die-- when its universe was far more dangerous and keep bringing on new players and keep growing despite some new players finding it's a game not suited to them?

Then you should read their site more closely before besmirching their good name in a public forum. A gentleman would apologise.

Also, feel free to debate the issue of this thread rather than flailing about in overly-defensive confusion.